World-wide Vote for the next US President?

[pete376403]

http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/t...estingday.html is a very interesting page about Bushes actions (or lack of them) on 9/11

And this is what he said about the"folks"

Today we've had a national tragedy. _Two airplanes have crashed into the World Trade Center in an apparent terrorist attack on our country. I have spoken to the Vice President, to the Governor of New York, to the Director of the FBI, and have ordered that the full resources of the federal government go to help the victims and their families, and to conduct a full-scale investigation to hunt down and to find those folks who committed this act.

[El Dopa]

My guess is China will be the next superpower. And watch the world run for cover when they walk into Taiwan in the next 10 years!

Most of the smart economists seem to be putting money on China and India as the emerging economic superpowers. Well educated middle-upper classes, cheap labour etc etc.

BTW, NZ might not recognise Taiwan as a country, but there are certainly a good few reciprocal 'recognition' agreements in place with Taiwan to get round that particular roadblock.

[magnum]

vote kermit the frog for press at least he only has one hand up his poohole.

[Lou Girardin]

I don't understand the obsession with militarism that holds Amerika today. For a 'peace loving' nation they put a lot of store by what military service a President to be has done/not done.
And it's not as if they're particularly good at war either.
They came in late against an exhausted foe in WW1. Late again against an enemy preoccupied on a different front (Germany) and a materially inferior foe (Japan) in WW2
Were fought to a stalemate in Korea. Kicked out of Vietnam. Successfully invaded Grenada and Panama. (Whoop de do) and now they are being hammered in Iraq.
It's time they tried peaceful diplomacy, but they need to find diplomats first.
Then, to the amazement of all, they don't understand why they're so loathed.

[Coldkiwi]

I don't understand the obsession with militarism that holds Amerika today. For a 'peace loving' nation they put a lot of store by what military service a President to be has done/not done.
And it's not as if they're particularly good at war either.
They came in late against an exhausted foe in WW1. Late again against an enemy preoccupied on a different front (Germany) and a materially inferior foe (Japan) in WW2
Were fought to a stalemate in Korea. Kicked out of Vietnam. Successfully invaded Grenada and Panama. (Whoop de do) and now they are being hammered in Iraq.
It's time they tried peaceful diplomacy, but they need to find diplomats first.
Then, to the amazement of all, they don't understand why they're so loathed.

yes, they were 'late' into ww1 and ww2 (possibly the last time the US didn't actually start the fight) but the Poms and the Frenchies weren't exactly covering themselves in glory before the US showed up eh?

I agree some more diplomacy these days would serve them better than any multi billion dollar defence budget increase. Perhaps they should have two elections: One for the local president who runs internal affairs etc and one who runs foreign policy. That way, at least you'd have guys that knew the rest of the world existed dealing with other countries (and not offending everybody by getting the leader and the country's name wrong)

[Coldkiwi]

http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/t...estingday.html is a very interesting page about Bushes actions (or lack of them) on 9/11

oh my god.

I've just spent the last 20 minutes reading that page. John Kerry should just forget his campaign and post a link to that website.

Surely George Bush has got to be the thickest leader America has had in the 20th Century?

[Hitcher]

Surely George Bush has got to be the thickest leader America has had in the 20th Century?

In the 21st maybe... What about Gerald Ford? How quickly they forget...

[riffer]

In the 21st maybe... What about Gerald Ford? How quickly they forget...

Oooh, I wonder if Kerry will bring in a "pardon the last president" law if he gets in to office?

[jrandom]

the Poms and the Frenchies weren't exactly covering themselves in glory before the US showed up eh?

After reading Churchill's history of WW2, I can safely comment that the Brits did rather well, actually, after they finally realised that throwing away all their guns wasn't going to have enough influence on tree-hugging German sensibilities to stop them from swallowing Europe.

In fact, it would probably be fair to say that the Poms *did* cover themselves in glory before the US showed up.

I don't see any bad reflections on Britain from that period, apart from the aforesaid tendency to pacifism in the face of imminent danger during the 1930s.

[Madmax]

Did you guys know that when King George 1st (daddy bush) was in charge
Dick Cheney was Sec of Defence,
He Orderd Colin Powell to draw up plans to Nuke Baghdad
I would hate to see him in charge

[Coldkiwi]

In the 21st maybe... What about Gerald Ford? How quickly they forget...

I knew someone would say something...I did think about that but he's the only US president of the 21st century eh. (or maybe clinton was there at the millenium? I can't recall... anyway... saying he's stupider than Clinton doesn't really put the guy into perspective).

Gerald Ford? Now what did he get up to? More photo-ops while his country was being attacked?

[riffer]

Gerald Ford? Now what did he get up to? More photo-ops while his country was being attacked?

Try this link CK

[Coldkiwi]

In fact, it would probably be fair to say that the Poms *did* cover themselves in glory before the US showed up.

nonetheless, France and Britain would've both been lost to the Germans in ww2 if the americans had not joined in. The French, after all, are the cheese eating surrender monkeys of the world!

[Hitcher]

The French, after all, are the cheese eating surrender monkeys of the world!

That's a bit harsh! How many times have the French "surrendered" in the manner you outline? Once, perhaps? And what choice did they have when faced with the German onslaught? I guess they could have put up some token resistance and had their cities bombed flat as a result. The French are a pragmatic people with enough knowledge of history to know that their day would come...

[jrandom]

nonetheless, France and Britain would've both been lost to the Germans in ww2 if the americans had not joined in. The French, after all, are the cheese eating surrender monkeys of the world!

France, perhaps. Maybe.

I'm not going to have a big detailed thrash about it here; suffice to say, I think you could stand to be better informed.

I'll probably splash out soon and actually *buy* the copy of WC's book that I've been sneaking off to Borders to read for the last few weekends. Wanna borrow it once I'm done? He has a very readable turn of phrase.