Spying? What spying?

[Hitcher]

Where does my post 'OK' anyone to break the law or put other people at risk?

Your post implied that Don Elder, as CEO of Solid Energy, was just a lacky minion, a cog in some sort of state-owned machine who had limited responsibilities to discharge and who should have better things to do than worry about what a bunch of activists were up to. If that were the case, then I am certain a significantly less competent person could be lined up to fulfill this role, at a fraction of the price Dr Elder commands. That and illusions to Russia during the cold war are taking some liberties with the reality that applies on a wind-swept mountain top on the West Coast of the South Island and at Solid Energy's corporate HQ in suburban Christchurch.

[Swoop]

I quite like Sea Shepherd, who go out sinking illegal whaling boats and play dodgems with the Jap whalers.......

Why can't Greenpeace fathom their approach of "non-violent, direct action" would be far more efficient if it were "violent, direct action"?
Whaling ship = Harpoon anti-ship missile launched at it.
Sealers clubbing baby harp seals = helicopter gunships doing repeated runs on the sealers.
Imagine the TV ratings!!! Dubya would have another enemy and several new countries to invade.

In fact, a whole NEW Survivor genre would begin. Survivor Greenpeace!

[Lias]

One of the real problems here JJ is that the Greenies or any other protest movement is an open membership. In other words any member of the public can join. Once a one SOE develops a policy of employing spies to infiltrate these protest movements, splinter groups will go underground to evade detection. They will in other words develop cells and act independently from the main body. Just try thinking up a notch as too the likely outcome of this.

Skyryder

Herein lies the crux.

If they are law abiding citizens, not planning any ILLEGAL actions then they should have nothing to hide and allow open membership, knowing full well that the other side will know what they are up to.

If on the other hand they are a bunch of eco-terrorists planning illegal actions, they should be infiltrated by the SIS rather than PI's, and then all arrested and sentenced to a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket (we are still under a labour government after all.. cant have decent sentences)

[Storm]

Lias- you've changed. Wheres the communist hippy we once knew? Criticising the Labour Govt and all?
You've been riding lots havent you?

[Skyryder]

Your post implied that Don Elder, as CEO of Solid Energy, was just a lacky minion, a cog in some sort of state-owned machine who had limited responsibilities to discharge and who should have better things to do than worry about what a bunch of activists were up to.

My post implies nothing of the sort. Not one of your better posts Hitcher.

Skyryder

[oldrider]

here's some examples of industrial spying:

an Air NZ employee gets paid to fly on competitor airlines to sample/experience their service - feeds back to the Air NZ bosses how to improve.

a bar manager goes out to a competitor bar in the evening to sample/experience service - feeds back to the boss.

a hotelier purchases a night at a competitor to sample the service. modifies their hotel as a result.

they are all forms of spying.

the best comment on here yet is about the solid energy minnow that goes to GP and says 'for $100 i'll tell you what the plans are for machinery security' - would GP refuse? i doubt it.

Not to mention the current long running add on TV for ASB, even had a motorcycle episode, worlds fastest "idiot". Banking espionage Goldstein?

Not a murmur of protest there, just good advertising and humour to boot but essentially the same thing.

Me thinks they protest too much. John.

[The Pastor]

Im down with niggas spying on shit yo.