Originally Posted by dank
Well said Dank
Fair weather rider
Well said Dank
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No8 Wire Extraordinaire
For those that don't know Steve he has been involved in racing for sodin ages both on RS125 & 250 & behind the scenes. When a racer says it is too dangerous I give it more credence than a spectator or random computer user. Wrapped in cotton wool is not Steve.
I don't buy the "throttle works both ways" argument, it's not the speed as much as the incidences that happen at racing speeds. I've raced at road ccts where people complained about the lack of run off & done very well, but you just can't think about it. Never really looked at worst area until years later. Had my worst racing accident 20 meters from the worst danger area.
But the IOM has claimed not just newbies but it bites multiple TT winners/contenders , Dave Jefferies, Robert Holden ring just two of dozens. I remember Blair Deglahom (spelling sorry) telling me the first time he went someone fell off in front of him into a stone wall removing an arm later dead.
Are we really this short of racetracks? This is why Kenny Roberts etc campaigned to take it off the GP cct as too many good people were getting killed. No one could call him soft.
Don't you look at my accountant.
He's the only one I've got.
In the riders seat
Is that also why the NZ street circuits were taken out of National points in NZ?
Oi doctor can you check this for me
"If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."
No8 Wire Extraordinaire
Didn't know IOM was on NZ national points series
Don't you look at my accountant.
He's the only one I've got.
Forum whore
Surely if some want to make the decision for themselves they are fully entitled to?
In the riders seat
Never said it was, check my postDidn't know IOM was on NZ national points series
"If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."
Fair weather rider
NZ Steet circuits were taken out of the NZ Championships because it is too expensive to run the meets over two days, and unfair to expect riders to race for a New Zealand Championship with 20 minutes practice, the first 10 minute session being solely a "Where are the Bumps session". The second 10 minutes was used to sort the jetting, tyre pressures, suspension and chassis. What a doddle.
Besides, no-one in their right mind can compare 1 day street circuits in NZ with the Isle of Man TT. Sum it up in two sentences. Practice week. Race week. Thats seven days per.
Face it People. Some love the Island, me amongst them, some hate it. Shit,
thats life. I know that Robert Holden, Stuie Murdoch and Shaun absolutely love/loved the place. They wouldnt go back if they didnt!
Having been to the TT many years ago, I can see why. It is a special place.
If it's not your cup of tea, fine, but dont deprive the rest of us, of our cup of tea. The place is dangerous, but having been around it on a bike, shit it's good. The memories are vivid, and it is 20 years since I was there.
Long Live the TT. If you want to save lives. work on World peace and stop terrorism!
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Hardcore Biker
Stevey B expressed his opinion. Nothing the matter with that. Some of the responses are disgusting. Sarcastic insults have no place here.
IOM is rather special in that it will always have huge risk. But in general huge improvements to motorsport safety have been made over the last few decades, and we should be really grateful for this. If you saw the huge F1 crash on TV last night you might ponder the consequences of this with the safety technology of 20 or even 10 years ago. And how were these advances made? Sadly, it was mostly a result of the advocacy of the competitors, just like Stevey B today. Good on ya Stevey, I look forward to you comments on some of our New Zealand circuits and their totally unacceptable risks. It couls save a life.
No8 Wire Extraordinaire
Fair call, probably bet this topic to death, but don't sweat over Kick & I bouncing off each other, that's just for sport.
Don't you look at my accountant.
He's the only one I've got.
oooooooooooo lala
some people base jump, some do freefall climbing, some do the isle of man.
It just seems more dangerous because it's far more of a spectator sport than the other dangerous sports out there.
But back on track 130mph lap is fecking fast.....
Lump lingered last in line for brains,
And the ones she got were sort of rotten and insane...
NEDWN VIII
Barry Sheene never raced there because of the 'risk'...he was big on safety and although putting himself in face of 'fuck knows what' everytime he raced...the IOM just didnt do it for him...his choice. Its my chioce (as a spectator) to stand as close as i can to the action at Paeroa and i love it, those bikes come so close along the back straight, im talking two feet, and it wouldn't take much for something horrendous to happen, you just dont think of that at the time cos these guys know what they are doing right?... one would hope.
Forum whore
Well, clearly touched on a subject here. I am strong enough to take criticism and do love a good argument. Yes, OK m'bistard, I am a wowser, but takes one to know one clearly, hahahahaha ;-)
With regard to IOM, I am well aware of the freedom to choose, the throttle works both ways, and the bike has a brake arguments. I have done my share of NZ street racing, Paeroa x2 and Wanagnui x2 (admitedly once was on a KR150, embarassing yes, fun, yes!). BUT, how many of you correspondents on here are only spectators and have not actually put yourselves into the firing line? When you are sliding on your arse at 180 km/h down the mainstreet of Paeroa towards the powerpoles and bales you wonder pretty quick what the f... are you doing here (yes that was me, in 1990 (91?) after having my front wheel taken out at the kink, and yes it was, it is on video!!). Luckily thanks to the forsight and innovation of AMCC I suffered no more than a minor back injury.
So that is my story. But I ask you to consider this.
What would this thread be reporting if Shaun had not come through that crash? I know, it is his choice and he would be the first to say 'Screw it, that is my bag and I'm sticking to it'. But is there an argument to be made here that many of the respondants here are actually waiting for those crashes?
My old mate Loren Poole nearly had one of those at the IOM TT.
I used to race with Loren and Blair Degerholm and when Loren says 'Fuck that!!!' and Bob Haldane says, 'If you keep going back, it will get you! then where is the sense? Really, where is it? I also knew the young Scottish guy Andy that came out here a few years ago to race in Superbike and was then killed roadracing over there. When you know them and they are not just annonymous names and faces then you wonder about the futility of it.
What is wrong with circuit racing? Is that not exciting enough for you? Watch the last two MotoGP 125 races and tell me that is not special.
And by the way, I am the first to support freedom of choice, but having an event where 2.3 people are killed every year seems to me to be a bit ghoulish.
See you at Manfeild (Minefeild??)
Steve
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans." John Ono Lennon.
"If you have never stared off into the distance then your life is a shame." Counting Crows
"The girls were in tight dresses, just like sweets in cellophane" Joe Jackson
Forum whore
To me it is the principle of banning something because of the risk involved. Not the actual event.
L-Plate Rider
My point was that I worry one day someone will ban something Im passionate about and it scares me. Probably should have written that rather than call steveb wet and not put a smiley up
bloody newbies.
Forum whore
Steve, i have big problems with people who do not want to ride somewhere banning other people that do, I tlaked to Russell Josiah about the isle of man and he went once and did not want to go back, his choice, Barry Sheene made his choice as well, let people make thier choice, if no one wanted ot ride it, the race would die,
as for street races in NZ, i raced them for the 1st time this year, year it is scary running down the front straight of pearoa so close to those water barriers, its a hell of a lot of fun to, if you do not want to race them fine, but don;t stop me, ill be back, I went to see Jared Love in hospital with two broken ankles as well, i bet hes back next year as well
i agree with them not being in the NZ road race titles, and i support riders who do not want to ride them, let them have thier choice, let me have mine to
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