VMCC's greed

[Duke girl]

Great comment sketchy. No time for people who stand back and criticise instead of getting off their arses and have ago themselves at running a club and c how much money is out layed b4 beginning to make a profit. Cant handle the heat then get out of the kitchen.

[Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)]

Oh do please order my jet darling - cos at this point in time I have asked for a lift to Manfield and no replies.

Having spent the last 2 weeks organising all your entries - against great adversity - thank God I am a woman and I can multi task. Do you hear me moaning my arse off - I'm suppose to be in hospital right now - I bargained and compromised with my Dr that I would not ride my bike to Manfield and just give me drugs to see me through (hence why I need to find transport) so get on that phone prompt de suite baby - that means immediately - I will even settle for the Bently - chauffered by you sir??? - cos I aint gonna miss out on this weekend. I have enjoyed organising this.

Get a life sweetheart and pull ya head in. Isn't it wonderful so many people are interested in racing. Have you entered? - if so many entries frightens you - please do withdraw but don't expect me to refund your fees quickly.

I don't normally waste my precious time on fucktard threads like this.

Shit I enjoyed that rant.

216 confirmed entrees, are you kidding , yeah i know some will cross enter
but WTF,, ya get 3 races in one class (or thereabouts) a whole 6 minutes a session...whhhoooaaaaaaaa,, thank you

hmmm let me do the calculation 160 x 75 bucks and another 56 cross entered x 20 bucks ( roughly)+ transponders hire when is enough enough... lets have 300 people enter cos then the event organisers will fly in by private jet.. and wont have to bother driving their bentley..

fucken joke...

they should shorten the sessions to 4 minutes cos then they can fit another 85 odd racers in......

[FROSTY:Me]

no the answer is easy --lets all of us decide notto crash --hrumph now I just need to take me own advice

[Deano]

Simple: Ride faster

And don't crash cause that wastes time too......

Hey Ed - how much money have you spent on your motor ?

[HDTboy]

And don't crash cause that wastes time too......

Smart arse

Hey Ed - how much money have you spent on your motor ?

Enough to make it go around Manfeild in under a minute

[Drew]

I'm with gixxer regarding the numbers, too large a field, equals carnage, but the only alternatives I can see, is teo day events, or limiting numbers.

I'm all for limiting numbers, and I'm not just talking about per class, I mean on the track at any time. If you're not fast enough to make it to the top thirty, you're not racing, it's simple. Half the people in each class shouldn't bloody be there anyway, for being too slow, or too fast in the case of clubmans, yes, I'm aware there is a cut off time, and if you go under it you get moved out of clubmans, but christ, there are people in F1 not doing 1.18m laps of the short track.

To clarify my earliewr post, I was having a laugh with a mate, dont lump me in with the rest of you jumping down his throat, his point is valid!

[steveyb]

Heh, what a cool thread!!
Bloody Mad Woman, you go girl!!!! My heart felt thanks to you and the other organisers. Having done that job in the past I never had to cope with that many entries (not to mention that I actually screwed my entry up but Mel Presidente has sorted it I hope).

I wanted to bring a bit of context to the argument, which in its way has some merit, but needs creative solutions rather than anonymous ranting.

A new mate of mine races standard stockcar at Palmy North. He spends, EVERY SATURDAY NIGHT OVER 6 MONTHS IN SUMMER, $1000 to race. He takes a good 5 days to fix and re-prepare the car and for that gets the great total of 8 MINUTES racing!!!

8 Minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! $1000 a night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND, the promoter who runs these meetings takes home all the profits, in his pocket.

Feel hard done by now?

In Australia, UK, Spain, Italy, Japan, USA (?) having to qualify to race is normal. If you do not meet the qualifying standard, then you need to find a place and time to practice so that you can.

Transponders: Tim and Joan had the insight and took the risk to invest in that business. You seem to question the nature of business. In the aforementioned countries also, you MUST have your own transponder, rental is not an option.

I am in agreement that perhaps a limit of 35 riders per grid might be increased, but only to 40 or 42. Many more and the time differences between 1st and last gets too great and too many dangerous situations can occur.

As for the title of the thread, VMCC greed??, I say to you, please create a club, a club mind you, not a company, find volunteers and pay for circuit hire (if you can find the dates) etc etc etc. Yes, VMCC club might take in more than it spends on any one meeting, but then if it did not, then there would soon be no club and no meetings at all. Also, if you are a VMCC club member you have a free trackday in October, and this will be expanded if the profit increases. You have new high quality radios so that when you land on your blowhard arse, the ambulance can come and pick you up. The club has bought bikes to run a scholarship for novice riders, Taupo circuit costs in excess of $6000 a day to hire etc etc etc.

If the profit levels get too large then the VMCC committee will seek ways to disperse that profit to club members, club members only mind, not all and sundry who covets owning or racing a motorcycle.

To those riders who feel that the expense is too much, Stop doing it if that is the case. If you continue to race, then it clearly is a priority for you and good on you. There are any number of ways of mitigating the expenses, think laterally.

I am in 100% agreement with roadracingoldfart, 'Fuck i hate when people mouth off about shit they have no insight on.'

Enjoy

Steve

[FROSTY:Me]

I've been reading this thread with interest.
Gixter I really can't see your point.
Seems to me you are saying "Hey I want more track time so cut the number of entrys itll give me more track time"
Reality is with 7 races per cycle there will only be 3 races per day.

Just do the sums dude--15 minutes per race (allowing for grid up/I warm up lap etc) -means 1 hour 40mins per cycle
4 cycles (1 practice and 3 races)
Allow the fact you have basicly 6.5 hours of RACE time
Ya just cant do a time warp deal mate.

[Clivoris]

I've been reading this thread with interest.
Gixter I really can't see your point.
Seems to me you are saying "Hey I want more track time so cut the number of entrys itll give me more track time"
Reality is with 7 races per cycle there will only be 3 races per day.

Just do the sums dude--15 minutes per race (allowing for grid up/I warm up lap etc) -means 1 hour 40mins per cycle
4 cycles (1 practice and 3 races)
Allow the fact you have basicly 6.5 hours of RACE time
Ya just cant do a time warp deal mate.

Dead right Frosty. The amount of track time we get has S.F.A. to do with the number of entries. Thanks to Steve and others for the contextual info too.
Gixser, what a shame you can't actively participate in the club committee and organisational side of things from Auckland. I'd send the club jet up for you on committee nights but it's already booked bringing the hookers, stimulants and caviar from hand picked locations around the globe.

[Deano]

I'm with gixxer regarding the numbers, too large a field, equals carnage, but the only alternatives I can see, is teo day events, or limiting numbers.

I'm all for limiting numbers, and I'm not just talking about per class, I mean on the track at any time. If you're not fast enough to make it to the top thirty, you're not racing, it's simple.

There is a limit of 35.

To clarify my earliewr post, I was having a laugh with a mate, dont lump me in with the rest of you jumping down his throat, his point is valid!

And I just taking the piss as usual but any valid point he made lost credibility by suggesting the reason behind large racing entries was greed.

SOME people may be making a profit from riders/racers entries but I doubt it is Vic Club.

[rustys]

Pretty hard on the VIC club there GIXser, i agree with all the flack your getting over it.
Regards to Steveyb's comments, my racing buddy used to race sidechairs at speedway, threw a lot of money at it over the years, his costs were high, like any motor sport, his races consisted of 3 laps in under a minute a lap x 3 races = 9 min racing, on a poxy little dirt track for the night. So he went tarmac racing for more track time.
Obviously you don't know the cost implications of running a meeting for a start.
The raceing scene is bloody healthy with this amount of entries and interest long may it continue.

Good on you B>M>W for the rant, and all the others out there.

And HEADS up to all you VIC Club ORGANIZERS and all the VOLUNTEERS out there you do a FANTASTIC job FOR THE LOVE of your sport and ours

WE DON'T NEED TOSSER'S LIKE THIS

[roadracingoldfart]

Settle down there "Young Fella"
You just let us old guys keep up OK!!

You get in front of him and block his progress Barry and ill sneak up and give him a toe tap from behind

[Drew]

You get in front of him and block his progress Barry and ill sneak up and give him a toe tap from behind

I got your back deano, if he ankle taps ya, we'll see how he deals with two hundred and fifty kg's of FZR 750 rrsp bairing down on his arse!

[Skunk]

I know a way to limit entries. Raise the cost. Win-win.

[roadracingoldfart]

to answer your question
i entered when i didnt know there was gonna be 216 entrees (youre right i wouldnt have ,had i known!)
ps by all means introduce yourself on the day!!

catch ya there..

If you add the sums up you will find the following.......
7 classes with a max of 35 bikes per class = 245

Fark we have room for a few more bikes so keep the adverts going folks.
Not every class will have a full grid will it.? maybe with cross entries some will swell more than others but there is no other way to cap it without a qualifying rule set out in the supplimentary regs approved by MNZ and covered in the permit to run the event.

The program for the coming rounds are for various formats to add variety as for length and track options. The Vic Club has succeeded to give us variety to attract and keep our attention, it worked for me.
Round one was a bastard nobody could control but this is now round one this Sat so lets just accept whats already organised and take any worries / concerns to the Vic Club executive as i know they will be at Manfeild this Sat and if you are really wanting to change a situation you have to bitch or canvass the organ grinder and not the monkey.
Vic Club dont charge for spectators for reasons of cheaper track hire and the same reasons plus others they have no prize money but if we all want to just get on and race then we have to accept that others make the rules and we have to follow unless we have a say in the rule making.

Cheers Paul.