Bain is being retried.

[peasea]

I fear you forget. He DID leave a note. It said "David, you were the only one who deserved to live."
Also, Robin was crazy at the time.

Yup, crazy 'bout his daughter!

[Deviant Esq]

I didn't expect they'd retry him personally, but there you go. I don't know whether he's guilty or not, but either way I don't think there's enough there to convict him. There's enough doubt and cloudiness either way that I doubt he'll be judged guilty. Which will of course give him grounds for compensation, which would be deserved. If not guilty this time and should have been the first time... 13 of potentially the best years of his life behind bars.

[Skyryder]

I think he should be retried, after all there are five dead people, reason for death still not accounted for!

Did he do it? I don't know!

I now feel really sure that he is a person capable of doing it and staying the course to this stage of proceedings whereas before I thought he was a bit of a weakling.

He is one focused fellow in my opinion and bloody tough mentally. John.

PS: I don't think the Police looked far enough afield for the possibility of another perpetrator.
Maybe neither David or his father were the guilty party! (weird mob, those Bains)

'Bout where I'm coming from with this OR I'd give Bain a 60/40 chance of being found innocent. Mind you Karam's conclusions will come under 'proper' scrutiny as only a trial is able of doing. The evidence that is the most 'telling' on this is just how reliable is the incest accusation.

I'm going to stick my neckout on this and predict a hung jury.


Skyryder

[peasea]

'Bout where I'm coming from with this OR I'd give Bain a 60/40 chance of being found innocent. Mind you Karam's conclusions will come under 'proper' scrutiny as only a trial is able of doing. The evidence that is the most 'telling' on this is just how reliable is the incest accusation.

I'm going to stick my neckout on this and predict a hung jury.


Skyryder

Better than a hung innocent man I suppose.

[Littleman]

If we are to believe anything the Herald/media say the Police would welcome the trial to be televised...

Wouldn't it be ironic if the media actually played a part in educating the public of the full facts rather than contributing to conspiracy theories of his innocence.

Bizarre concept I know.

Maybe then people may actually have a qualilfied opinion on this matter.

[Motig]

Guilty as Hell !! Amazing how having someone constantly drip feeding a biased view to the media can sway so many sheep.Only reason not to send him back to jail after hes found guilty again (although finding a jury that dont know anything about the Bain case in NZ would be an impossibility or are there 12 blind,deaf and dumb around?) would be he's basically done his time.

[janno]

I'm definitely open to the suggestion that if I was on the jury and heard all the evidence, I'd find him guilty as charged.

At the moment I'm in the not guilty camp, with both feet. Though as you say, it's a decision based on what the media has reported.

I'm a journalist, so I know exactly the mentality behind the scenes in reporting a case like this. Which is why I got out of working in hard news (ie newspapers) and took the soft cock option of writing features about stuff I like.

I was very uncomfortable about how much power a journalist has to sway the public opinion, and how often it gets abused in pushing one particular person's view. I've done it myself, though I thought I was being unbiased at the time. When I realised what I was really lusting after - the front page lead, I didn't give a flying eff about the family involved - I quit writing breaking news. It's horrible to realise what you are capable of sometimes, when you'd always thought you wouldn't stoop so low . . .

And this was a relatively minor matter in a smallish town. Imagine the buzz the journo's get in a nationally breaking story. You can't tell me there's no egos involved. . .

[Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)]

I didn't expect they'd retry him personally, but there you go. I don't know whether he's guilty or not, but either way I don't think there's enough there to convict him. There's enough doubt and cloudiness either way that I doubt he'll be judged guilty. Which will of course give him grounds for compensation, which would be deserved. If not guilty this time and should have been the first time... 13 of potentially the best years of his life behind bars.

Agree - jury has to be "beyond reasonable doubt".

[Winston001]

I was a bit surprised at the announcement but mainly because expecting witnesses to remember events 12 - 14 years ago is a hard ask.

Nevertheless there are 5 dead people. Do we just give up? Sorry about your murder but its all too hard.......

I know very little about the case but I find it very hard to believe that Robin Bain would commit murder......with a full bladder. Hell, I don't even go to the dentist without having a leak first.

Allegedy the ambu officer examined David in the house and found normal pulse, blood pressure etc, while David was doing his freakout. Odd.

But of course the above might be exaggerated or just plain untrue. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

[Swoop]

... because of a depressed dairy that was found.

Can you get lotto tickets at this dairy, or just milk and squishees?
Thank you, come again!

[Winston001]

......a not guilty verdict will enable him to get squillions in compo like Arthur Allen Thomas?

Sorry Jano but you've rung an irritating bell with me.

Arthur Allan Thomas was convicted of murdering the Crewes - he has never been found "Not Guilty". He was pardoned after the 1980 Royal Commission found there were some real questions about the evidence. A pardon (a very rare beast) was the most simple solution for the government.

So Arthur got away with it. And $1 million as well.

The theory developed by Pat Booth - and his tenacity is to be admired - was that a police detective dropped .22 shell casings outside the house window.

That story has gained currency within NZ to the point that 99% of people believe it. However the truth is - it was a theory. It has never been proved that any such seeding of evidence actually occurred. The police officer concerned could never clear his name and eventually died.

The significance of all of this is the emergence of a belief by members of the public that the police fabricate evidence. That suspicion arose and expanded directly from Pat Booth's theory. And the furore over David Bain, Scott Watson etc etc persists today.

[ali]

I thought it interesting, that though the privy council suggested that convicting Bain on the evidence originally provided was dangerous, they still suggested he remain in jail till a decision was made as to a retrial.

Does this mean they think he is guilty ?

He looks and sounds like a very nice man, which perhaps now affects our judgement ( but then Mark Lundy looked like a loving father too)

[janno]

Sorry Jano but you've rung an irritating bell with me.

No worries Winston, I like discussing all sorts of things with all sorts of people. I'm a firm believer of not necessarily agreeing with someone, but always agreeing with their right to have that opinion.

If someone disagrees with me, I don't take it as a personal insult. It's just a difference of opinion. The world won't end.

[janno]

(but then Mark Lundy looked like a loving father too)

EEEwwwww! No he didn't!!

I had friends working in the sex industry in Palmy who'd "had" him as a client. All the girls really hated him but couldn't quite say why.

They used to draw straws as to who would go through with him!!

That's pretty bad if even the money wasn't enough.

[oldrider]

EEEwwwww! No he didn't!!

I had friends working in the sex industry in Palmy who'd "had" him as a client. All the girls really hated him but couldn't quite say why.

They used to draw straws as to who would go through with him!!

That's pretty bad if even the money wasn't enough.

All my instincts and the evidence tell me Lundy was guilty as sin.

Too much shoddy police work involved with Bain case.

That association with drama has always bothered me but I thought Bain was weak and would crack over time, one way or the other!

I see in him now just the strength of character to carry it off, he looks like a cat with cream all round his mouth!

A new trial is an absolute must but did the police use too small a net? John.