Bain is being retried.

**ynot slow** · 21st June 2007, 20:52

my mind is unsure,he's come out of prison mentally strong,so if guilty of crimes is a good player,i.e unemotive.my thoughts are his dad did kill all them then david came home and shot his dad in a fit of rage,way outer left field but stranger things have happened.as said if you got a younger jury say maybe 20-28 you may get unbiased but then it's been in news,like to see the cops evidence now and cross examined.

**Mom** · 21st June 2007, 21:04

Originally Posted by Nasty

Seems right as it is following the ruling from the Privy Council - question is how are they going to find an untiainted jury????

I agree there are so many unanswered questions, at least there is an outside chance that all eidence will be made available to a jury this time, as to the jury???????

Originally Posted by Swoop

Excellent!!!

A chance to prove the case with all the evidence laid out.

Just a shame it is not being tried in Auckland. I am on High Court jury duty (again)...

Yepper, to find an unbiased jury of his peers will be the difficult thing, mind you as someone has said here tonight, there are people that really have no preconceived ideas regarding this...maybe this time he can put this matter to bed.

**Hitcher** · 21st June 2007, 21:38

Originally Posted by Dynamytus50

Like?

Start by buying a copy of Joe Karam's book on the case. Or start here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bain. Wikipedia is your friend.

**spudchucka** · 22nd June 2007, 06:52

Originally Posted by janno

Though perhaps a not guilty verdict will enable him to get squillions in compo like Arthur Allen Thomas? As opposed to nothing?

No chance, even if found not guilty at the re-trial.

Thomas received a pardon, not a not guilty verdict, that's the difference.

**spudchucka** · 22nd June 2007, 07:05

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Start by buying a copy of Joe Karam's book on the case. Or start here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bain. Wikipedia is your friend.

Read the McNeish book too.

http://www.crime.co.nz/c-files.asp?ID=112
http://www.crime.co.nz/c-files.asp?ID=114

**oldrider** · 22nd June 2007, 14:38

Originally Posted by Dynamytus50

Like?

I wrote a reply and then decided to delete it.

The new trial will bring an outcome that right or wrong, the country will just have to live with it.

I am absolutely in favour of the new trial.

I have got some questions about the new trial and today's law and penalties.

Bearing in mind that the Privy Counsel said it was a miscarriage of justice and quashed the conviction but did not judge him as not guilty as charged.

(IE:wipe the slate and start again, if it is in the best interests of New Zealand)

Will the "new" trial be committed under the law at the time of the crime or under the law and penalties of today?

For five murders, Bain may have been better to stay where he was, that is if he is guilty and he is the only one who knows the answer to that, if he is!

If he is not guilty, I do not believe the evidence points to Bain's father, in which case there must be some one else out there, (enjoying life) that the police did not even look at because they were too focused on nailing Bain!

Personally I have no idea if Bain is guilty or not but if it were me, I would still be a bit more concerned about the loss of my entire family than he appears to be, unless of course I "was" the perpetrator all along and obviously knew that answer!

John.

**MSTRS:Me** · 22nd June 2007, 14:46

Originally Posted by oldrider

Personally I have no idea if Bain is guilty or not but if it were me, I would still be a bit more concerned about the loss of my entire family than he appears to be, unless of course I "was" the perpetrator all along and obviously knew that answer!

John.

He has had 14 years to come to terms with the murders. Whether he did them or not, he is hardly likely to be wearing his emotions on his sleeve after all that time.

**Maha** · 22nd June 2007, 14:59

Originally Posted by MSTRS

He has had 14 years to come to terms with the murders. Whether he did them or not, he is hardly likely to be wearing his emotions on his sleeve after all that time.

Common belief in this house that D Bain did not kill his whole family...just his ole' man....
Its the wierdest feeling being on a Jury and listening to a case unfold...reasonable doubt huh?....

**MSTRS:Me** · 22nd June 2007, 15:06

Originally Posted by maha man

Common belief in this house that D Bain did not kill his whole family...just his ole' man....
Its the wierdest feeling being on a Jury and listening to a case unfold...reasonable doubt huh?....

It's a (good) theory.
Know what you mean...only did one time on jury duty. No doubt in that case - the guy had GUILTY tattooed across his forehead (not literally). 4 f'ken days - what a waste of everybody's time that was.
These days I'm self-employed with no staff - easy out from every call up.

**Hitcher** · 22nd June 2007, 16:01

David Bain's father is not on trial. All the prosecution has to do is to prove beyond reasonable doubt that David Bain committed the crimes of which he is accused. Many of us will be watching with intense interest next year to see if a jury is capable of making a decision.

**Patrick** · 22nd June 2007, 16:01

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Start by buying a copy of Joe Karam's book on the case. Or start here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bain. Wikipedia is your friend.

Wouldn't waste my money on his "Theories"

**Hitcher** · 22nd June 2007, 16:03

Originally Posted by Patrick

Wouldn't waste my money on his "Theories"

You don't have to agree with them. They represent one interpretation of what may have happened in this case. If you're not interested in forming a balanced view, that's quite OK. Hopefully you won't be selected for the jury next year.

**Patrick** · 22nd June 2007, 16:04

Originally Posted by MSTRS

He has had 14 years to come to terms with the murders. Whether he did them or not, he is hardly likely to be wearing his emotions on his sleeve after all that time.

Other than the scene when he was being carried to the Ambulance, what emotion has he shown since??? Other than the smile on his release recently....

**MSTRS:Me** · 22nd June 2007, 16:07

Originally Posted by Patrick

Other than the scene when he was being carried to the Ambulance, what emotion has he shown since??? Other than the smile on his release recently....

That's not exactly fair, is it? His face was hardly shown after the arrest...and guilty or not, I'll guarantee that you would smile too if it was you being released....