Bain is being retried.

**Patrick** · 22nd June 2007, 17:57

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Nice to know that the NZ public can expect police to have an open mind about these things...

Been there, did that, guilty at the High Court, still at the Appeal Court, Privvy Council says there is more now that the jury needs to look at, is all... I am as open as an open book thing...

**Patrick** · 22nd June 2007, 17:59

Originally Posted by maha man

Wouldnt be so sure of that Grahame, can it possible that the person who killed the family was then killed by surviving memeber?....he was never charged with that senario

Still one big thing wrong there... dad still kills four without having a nervy pee??????????????????????? no blood on dad at all, then David tops him... Hmmmmm....TUI.... TUI....

**Patrick** · 22nd June 2007, 18:05

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

Dynamytus50, spudchucka, and Patrick. You 3 share, by all accounts, the same opinion regarding David Bain's guilt. Yet the Privy Council quashed his conviction and ordered a retrial. So, without disclosing anything in particular, are you all fully up to speed with all the facts pertaining to the case, maybe even information that didn't make it to the Privy Council? I'm honestly interested.

Just you three in the past have been critical of people jumping to conclusions without all the information.

How dare you jump to such conclusions!!!

Had an interest in this, followed the trial and studied material relating to this for various things... just came to what I call my logical conclusion.

Lets leave it and let the retrial do its thing.

**MSTRS:Me** · 22nd June 2007, 18:08

Originally Posted by Patrick

Been there, did that, guilty at the High Court, still at the Appeal Court, Privvy Council says there is more now that the jury needs to look at, is all... I am as open as an open book thing...

Perhaps this trial will be fair, in that all scenarios and evidence etc will be available to the jury. We live in hope.
As for the 'open book' thingy...that is always a worry when one of your lot has one on the side of the road

**ali** · 22nd June 2007, 19:01

Originally Posted by janno

EEEwwwww! No he didn't!!

I had friends working in the sex industry in Palmy who'd "had" him as a client. All the girls really hated him but couldn't quite say why.

They used to draw straws as to who would go through with him!!

That's pretty bad if even the money wasn't enough.

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Janno, my wife has the same opinion as you.

We are all now aware of Lundys like of visiting prostitutes and that he is a convicted murderer, does this alter our perception of his looks ? I thought he looked " normal" prior to his arrest.

It is evident from the debate in this forum, that opinion is divided in the community as to David Bains guilt or innocence ( as it should be, because none of us has sat through trials and heard ALL the evidence).

This is why I think there must be a " courtroom trial " as opposed to one carried out in the media.

**janno** · 22nd June 2007, 19:10

Originally Posted by ali

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Janno, my wife has the same opinion as you.

We are all now aware of Lundys like of visiting prostitutes and that he is a convicted murderer, does this alter our perception of his looks ? I thought he looked " normal" prior to his arrest.

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I agree with you - trial by media is a toxic and dangerous thing. Can switch from justice to witch hunt in a heartbeat.

but as soon as I first saw a pic of lundy I thought "what a creep", then found out details from my friends later. I think women often have more ability to spot something a bit "off" with a person than men. Probably to do with guarding the cave while the lads were out killing mastodons.

**spudchucka** · 22nd June 2007, 20:30

Originally Posted by Patrick

Other than the scene when he was being carried to the Ambulance, what emotion has he shown since??? Other than the smile on his release recently....

A smile that suggests "I just got away with murder"?

**spudchucka** · 22nd June 2007, 20:31

Originally Posted by Patrick

There was another fine piece of journalism in the Listener from some time ago, (can't recall her name, has the same name as Peter JACKSONS Mrs... and not Mrs JACKSON either!!!) where she slams KARAMS interviewing methods... if Police used the "methods" he was using, the "evidence" obtained was clearly tainted, forced and unworthy.

North & South covered it recently too, well worth a read if you see it lying around anywhere.

**onearmedbandit** · 22nd June 2007, 20:33

12yrs jail is getting away with something?

**spudchucka** · 22nd June 2007, 20:37

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Nice to know that the NZ public can expect police to have an open mind about these things...

He's still allowed his opinion. He isn't running the trial.

**spudchucka** · 22nd June 2007, 20:43

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

Dynamytus50, spudchucka, and Patrick. You 3 share, by all accounts, the same opinion regarding David Bain's guilt. Yet the Privy Council quashed his conviction and ordered a retrial. So, without disclosing anything in particular, are you all fully up to speed with all the facts pertaining to the case, maybe even information that didn't make it to the Privy Council? I'm honestly interested.

Just you three in the past have been critical of people jumping to conclusions without all the information.

To have all the information I'd have to have the transcripts of all the court hearings, so the answer to that is no.

Karam has never presented anything that has made me think for a moment that he is innocent, there is just too much that points to David.

However, I have always felt that there were issues that justified a re-trial years ago, which would have, in my opinion, resulted in another guilty verdict and would have avoided making him the celebrity that he is today.

**onearmedbandit** · 22nd June 2007, 20:46

Thanks for your honesty SC and Patrick. It appears you are human after all!

**spudchucka** · 22nd June 2007, 20:47

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Perhaps this trial will be fair,

Fair? That's a pretty subjective thing to try and measure, which is why Judges get paid the big bucks. It will however be the most scrutinised trial in NZ history.

**ynot slow** · 22nd June 2007, 22:18

Watching news tonight and watching people on tv fron Dunedin,i got the impression a jury would be easy to find.Most people had an open mind on the upcoming trial.The only ones convinced he would not have a jury unbiased was his ''support'' crew.As has been said prior someone killed 5 people,and if police left out evidence at the trials,this will hopefully be put right via trial,not by media but judicial.

**Winston001** · 23rd June 2007, 00:00

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Maybe the Police did balls up the investigation etc.....it was a long time ago and no offence to the Police in NZ but at the time their exposure to murder was probably on a small scale compared to say the UK......l

Two words Graham, ok, three: Aramoana. David Gray. The Dunedin police had plenty of up close and personal experience of mass murder.

ook at that UK guy who was murdered whilst campervanning with his girlfriend and the Police did not handle well.....

Not sure what you mean but the guy convicted just lost his last appeal yesterday.