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    Veering toward guilty after media deprogramming

    Familiarity does breed liking. Gradually over time Bains groupies and his good way of playing media including co-opting an allblack (what better) got me to thinking he could be innocent.

    Everyone can relate to how awful it would be to be falsely accused. Everyone has a tendency to seek out the best quialities in people and often to deny the bad. We like to like the human race - to think we're all nice like us.

    This is a known tendency of "normals" that psychopathic machines like to exploit. It was clear listening to Bains frequent references to his fan mail that he got great "narcissistic" kicks ie ego boosts, out of it.

    But the facts are pretty overwhealming of his guilt I've just concluded - if you can just divorce your emotions and look at it quite scientifically. I've concluded that after a mental effort to shut down my emotions and tendency to give people the benefirt of the doubt.

    Full bladder of victim / potential other killer, angle of gun impossible for suicide, discussion D Bain had with friend shortly before events re stress over family situation and feeling it would all end badly. He talked of his lack of human attachments (possibly reflecting psychopathy as its a trait). And didm't he also only hold the key for the gun storage place (from memory).

    Bains lack of memory at the critical time - as a psyc nurse I know trauma victims remember in great detail usually to the point of hard to shake flashbacks (that would be normal not "amnesia" tho its not imposs).

    David also put his jersey in the washing machine - as if that is something you'd be worried about or even up to in a state of panic. But he wasn't as his normal recordings showed - psychopaths do not get excited under stress... And the reference to him on the computer, just too tidy.

    Bain fits the age group for psycho killers better - they peak in early thirties. Very rare in the forensics wards I worked in to see one of Dads age.

    I think a computer brain that only works on evidence and probabilities would find him guilty. Or at least a co-offender with Dad. Much as I'd like to think he is innocent. His white middle class status has been to his advantage too, but as Celia Lashlie (prison boss) says - the blonde jo blows are the ones to watch in the current generation.

    If he was Maori with tatts I doubt this thread would exist. It maybe exists because typical defense case "red herrings" have been elevated by Karam and accepted as worth considering by a foreign Court. Maybe if there was sex abuse it did not stop with the daughter....

    theres a good motive to shoot someone or some hippocrit as they pray....

    It could not have been a stranger due to the computer message - was a domestic. I would be interested to know how Bain came off in any psychological assessments - they had time to develop a good picture of his personality inside.

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    No real comment here but I await the revisiting of the case along with included 'new' evidence.

    When you stack up the present lot of evidence I feel there's too much stacked on the "Davids guilty" list and not enough on the 'Davis innocent' list
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston001 View Post
    Two words Graham, ok, three: Aramoana. David Gray. The Dunedin police had plenty of up close and personal experience of mass murder.

    Not familiar with that case but just googled and that was a mass murder plus he shot himself so case ended wheeras in the Bain case an investigation was carried out so a bit different......

    Not sure what you mean but the guy convicted just lost his last appeal yesterday.

    I was referring to the way they treated the girlfriend but agree they got the guy in the end...............

    ..............

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    'Can they find a fair jury' is a bit of a loaded statement. The counsel for both sides work hard to load the jury with people they think will be beneficial for their side anyway... out of the 200 people called for jury duty in this trial, they'll be doing their best to manipulate the jury by trying to get the 12 that they think will help them win anyway! I guess they should be looking for intelligent people with sufficient curiousity to actually digest all the facts they're given, depends if that fits their purposes though.

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    No Wellington opinions!

    A) Who says it's being held in Dunners?
    B) People in wellytown don't have opinions?

    That's an odd thought!
    Last edited by mbazza; 23rd June 2007 at 10:11. Reason: Forgot to quote original post!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudchucka View Post
    North & South covered it recently too, well worth a read if you see it lying around anywhere.
    That might in fact be the one I was refering to....

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