Get the PGO with NOS and a turbo
then you might be as quick and nimble as the average 150 road bike
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Get the PGO with NOS and a turbo
then you might be as quick and nimble as the average 150 road bike
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Compared to the whopping 49 second quarter for a 50cc scoot. I think it will have more than enough for this noob to handle.Originally Posted by Tom
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Night rider
Tom, from your comment I can only assume that you are still quite young, and very inexperienced in riding the right bike for the situation. The GN250 is designed as a learner/commuter bike. It performs this role perfectly. It can easily keep up with and pass most traffic in commuting situations, and is such a neutral handling bike that it is perfect for learners.
It doesn't have the top speed or acceleration of any of the bikes you name, but not a single one of them is truely a learners bike either. The GN250 can also be used for long distance touring as Lee Rusty showed on a Southern Cross ride. Not one of the bikes you mention would be suitable for such a journey.
Kaz was asking about the difference between scooters and bikes, and from reading other points she makes through this thread, I don't get the idea that she is trying to set a 7km world speed record. So for her purposes the GN250 would be a great choice.
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Ninja Pilot
I think 250cc 2 stroke should only be considered by those that have done their time on a 250cc 4 stroke and are waiting out the time from restricted to full.
I just went from an SB50 scooter to a GPX250 bike and there is more power on tap than I could ever need since I plan on keeping my license, my bike and most importantly MY LIFE.
Ninja Pilot
P.S. Kaz, By restricted do you mean car restricted "1R"? If so this still wont allow you to ride anything more than a 50cc scooter, You'll need to get your motorcycle learners "6L" first. Motorcycles (This includes scooters with engines bigger than 50cc) are a separate class of vehicle from cars. Yes, This means you will need to graduate a total of 6 licenses if you wish to freely drive both cars and motorcycles. You'll need to pass a handling skills practical (ring up a motorcycle dealer for this) and present the certificate to AA when you book your class 6 learners theory.
Irritant
Some people ride 250 strokers through choice, rather than necessity. Its a lot harder to hussle a screaming Aprilia 250 along than it is something like an R6.
It's only when you take the piss out of a partially shaved wookie with an overactive 'me' gene and stapled on piss flaps that it becomes a problem.
Fair weather rider
Delusionz, sorry I was not clear: I do have a learners motorcycle license and am booked for a test for my restricted motorcycle license soon. So I have my full car license (and, for what it's worth, I also have a HT license - woohoo!). Thanks for your comments.
Fair weather rider
Yeah, thanks Jantar! I am trying to get to work safely and without getting a ticket for speeding along the way - and the speed limits are 50km and 70km, respectively.
I do sometimes split lanes or work to the front of a queue at lights, especially if it means avoiding a truck, bus, or one of those dodgy drivers who yap on their cellphones and wander. I'd like something that allows a reasonably quick getaway and decent speed up the big hills near where I now live.
Anyway, I test rode a PGO T-Rex 150 yesterday. I was at first horrified by the riding position - a "perch" - but decided to have a decent ride anyway.
I deliberately sought out some road works and potholes, took it up and down big hills, and around winding roads, and tried creeping very very slowly through heavy CBD traffic.
And despite the "perch", I found I could happily lean into corners, it was peppy on the take-off, much faster than my Sym Mio 50cc (obviously), and it felt really stable at very slow speeds too. The pothole travel also felt a lot better than on my Mio - the T-Rex has 12 inch, quite fat tyres compared with my little Mio 10 inch tyres. It was easy to get on and off its stand, and I liked the position of the controls (more so than my partner's Vespa actually, which seems built for bigger Man Hands). So I am tempted by the T-Rex - even though it's a little ugly looking.
I am tempted to try the GN250 too, especially after the comments recommending it (and recommending I just try different things). My only hesitation is that I actually haven't ridden a bike with gears before (except my pushbike!) so I'm not sure how keen they'll be to let me take the bike out. Maybe if I showed them my HT license ; )
Fair weather rider
Dyers, those are some interesting images!
I noticed on the T-Rex 150 scooter I tried yesterday that there are two non-slip covered places in the well where they think you might place your feet - one directly under your knees and one out ahead of your body. It was interesting to try them. Either way you are still "perched" on the seat but I really did not like the second position (with feet ahead) - I think that's maybe more like a cruiser position - and it felt less like I was in control.
Forum whore
Ride a few and choose what you like.
Those who say that any motorcycle will out-corner or out-brake any scooter are just badly informed.
A Peugeot Jetforce 125 scooter has ABS brakes on massive disks, and will out-stop any GN250. And the jetforce kompressor is good for more than 20hp, so it will outperform it too.
The TGB RX50 has disks front and rear as well, and soft compound tyres with massive forks, and it will go around corners as fast as a "proper" motorcycle.
The Speedfight II has centerhub steering on an extremely solid frame, and handles like perfection.
There are lots of great bikes out there and lots of great scooters - look for quality, look for a machine that "fits you" and suits you, and ride safe.
David must play fair with the other kids, even the idiots.
Fair weather rider
Thanks davereid. I found out about the Jetforce recently and am intrigued - but it is not cheap (of course) and I'm scared to try it in case I really love it and then want to fork out heaps to buy one! But I might anyway... My bro has a GN250 and I'm visiting him next week so hopefully he'll let me take it for a spin.
Hardcore Biker
My 2 cents. I rode scooters for years, commuting, even though I have had a full bike license since the days you went round the block on a Nify Fifty to get one.
In hindsight I wish I has switched to riding a "real" motorbike a lot sooner than I did.
The older you are the harder it can be to aquire new skills, your reactions aren't as fast and your eyesight and hearing start to deteriorate.
I found riding a bigger bike much more difficult than zipping around town on a scooter.
You may only be commuting now but in the future you might want to get into longer trips, touring, rallies. You may have a partner who is into bikes and want to join them.
Get a motorbike - learn to ride well and you will never lose those skills. Then if you decide you like scootering - go back to a scooter.
Fair weather rider
Hi magicfairy, your thoughts make good sense. It's nice to have a woman join this conversation too.
I just re-rode the PGO T-Rex scooter and...I don't feel sure about it so probably won't get it now.
I've got my restricted license test tomorrow afternoon. So at least that part of things is ticking along.
Hardcore Biker
Good luck with the test, you should be fine
Hardcore Biker
All this talk about LONG RIDES that scooters wont be able to do is a crock
Any half decient scooter will get you any where a bike will go and with your licence still in ya hand.
AS for the scooter v bike thing it will be a discussion like do you belive in god and if not why to a atheist
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