Party pills BANNED!

[betti]

cool debate peeps, it's good to see that this sort of issue stirs up a fair amount of passion, can only be a good thing!.
There seems to be a distinct lack of that in the Uk (seeing as there seems to be comparisons being drawn up) it is almost as though so many laws and new pieces of legislation have been introduced over there recently that joe public has o.d.'ed on it, and now simply says whatever?!.
Mission accomplished for the government, spirit broken, introduce whatever ya like!.
Here's hopin Nz doesn't roll over like Uk has!.

[Zapf]

That's the ostrich bit I was talking about.

I had all that, as did most of my friends. I was seriously anti-drugs, cigarettes etc until I went traveling and decided that I wanted to make up my own mind about things instead of living my life by my parents attitudes.

If your kids go to live in the UK, I'd say the odds are near 50% that cocaine will go up their nose at some point. They won't tell you that though, because they know how you feel about it. And you won't know they've done it because they will come home healthy, happy and normal - not like a deranged addict that you'd expect.

Its true, until you are allow to make up your own mind about things then you are truely free to decide. And not having to see things as defined by what is acceptable by the media or government with rules made by people who have no understanding on subject.

"And you won't know they've done it because they will come home healthy, happy and normal - not like a deranged addict that you'd expect." completely true.

Also, unknown to most. You'll find that a lot of the people in the scene are people that you thought are upstanding / successful people. Preception is far from the truth.

[Wolf]

So what? If you need pills to help you party, you shouldn't fucking be partying.

Seriously.

Don't mind a wee drink or three, but honestly, if you're such a lamer you need drugs to become the life of the party or go the distance, then stay the fuck home and do us all a favour.

Leave the partying to those of us to whom it comes natuarlly.

[rideNroot]

Well Wolf, you are about 25 years older than the people taking these pills. Do you consider yourself to be a 'lamer' when you have a drink or three?

[inlinefour]

Well Wolf, you are about 25 years older than the people taking these pills. Do you consider yourself to be a 'lamer' when you have a drink or three?

You younger people truely show your ignorance if you think the drugs of past years are any lamer than whats on offer now or if you think the drugs now are any less dangerous than the ones then. The drugs are dangerous and no matter how many of you retards biarch about them, that will never change. Try working in the lock up part of an inpatient psychiatric ward for 4 years and you will realise that I'm not full o shyte as you retards would like to think. Don't get pissy if you dont like our opinion. We are quite happy to read some retard's opinion, which would just look like it was based on opinion and own beliefs. Some of us base our opinions on life experiences, knowledge and common sense. However looking at some of the posts on this thread, thats not very common...

[janno]

Hey IL4, I've heard that sometimes drugs can set off an episode of schizophrenia or other psychosis in an otherwise healthy person with no mental health history.

And then they've got the illness, it's permanent damage. Supposedly if they hadn't taken the drug(s), the illness might have remained dormant. Is this true?

[Wolf]

Well Wolf, you are about 25 years older than the people taking these pills. Do you consider yourself to be a 'lamer' when you have a drink or three?

I don't need to drink or get drunk to get into the mood for, or last through, a party - in fact, drinkng too much inhibits partying as crawling around a person's garden and vomiting on every second plant puts a definite crimp in party mode. I usually have a few alcoholic drinks spread over a lengthy time so I don't get drunk, the rest of the time its non-alcoholic beverages and coffee - so I'm straight enough to enjoy the party and don't wind up crawling off to be sick or to go to sleep.

I've danced, laughed and sung the whole night away with nothing more than cigarettes, coffee and the usual junkfood as refreshments - and had a hell of a good time.

I've also made a few collossal fuck-ups on the consumption of various alcoholic beverages and rendered myself out of action early in the night (as the reference to "applying liquid fertiliser" to gardens might suggest).

As you said - I'm 25 years older than these guys taking the pills - and it sounds to me they are saying they need to take a pill to do what I can with achieve with good sounds, great company and my own natural mood and energy. Take their drugs off them and you have a bunch of young squares who can't last the distance of a 43-year-old.

Never stayed long at any party that was so shitty you have to get wasted or high to enjoy it, either - that sort of party is a cue to fuck off and find real fun elsewhere. And I have, on a few (thankfully rare) occasions.

My friends and I have staggered, giggling hysterically and almost incapable of standing up, down the main street of Hamilton in the wee hours of the morning, acting in a manner that an uncle who observed us took to be extreme intoxication.

We had injested nothing stronger than coffee and soda in the previous 72 hours. But fuck it, we were having FUN! And life was good, we were out and enjoying ourselves.

I will concede that we were probably as high as kites on our bodies' own chemical cocktails, brought about by a few hours of joking, laugh and random teen-age silliness, so I wouldn't deem us to be entirely free of chemical stimulation...

[doc]

You younger people truely show your ignorance if you think the drugs of past years are any lamer than whats on offer now or if you think the drugs now are any less dangerous than the ones then. The drugs are dangerous and no matter how many of you retards biarch about them, that will never change. Try working in the lock up part of an inpatient psychiatric ward for 4 years and you will realise that I'm not full o shyte as you retards would like to think. Don't get pissy if you dont like our opinion. We are quite happy to read some retard's opinion, which would just look like it was based on opinion and own beliefs. Some of us base our opinions on life experiences, knowledge and common sense. However looking at some of the posts on this thread, thats not very common...

Don't waste your breath INL4. You are trying to argue with the offspring of those that used the drugs of the past, and probably used them in the first trimester of their pregnancy. They are damaged good's but it's OK us clean ones will pick up the pieces thru our taxes.

[slowpoke]

Funny how generations come through and think they've discovered something previous generations have never experienced or won't understand. No one person has been everwhere and done everything...except maybe Keith Richards...but most people who have "been around a bit" have seen something similar and learnt, often through bitter experience, how to treat certain situations.

OK, lets use a motorcycling analogy:
Say, this BZP is some new fangled improvement being bolted to motorcycles
and is supposed to make your bike go faster and further than ever before.
- The young "L" platers are saying this stuff is amazing, they can't imagine life without it. They can't explain it to the older more experienced riders 'cos it's so new they'll "never understand" and they've never seen anything like it.
- The older riders who have been around the block a few times are saying hang on a minute, this stuff has zero quality control, what happens if something goes wrong? They may not have seen exactly this product but they've seen anti-dive, turbocharging, rotary dampers, mechanical fuel injection and lots of other gimmicks flameout. They say forget the bolt on stuff that is potentially unreliable, if you are a half decent rider you don't need it.

Now if it was really about motorcycle shit then the now generation would probably listen to yesterdays heroes 'cos there's no fashion, ego's or peer pressure involved.

Unfortunately it's about something more important than motorcycling and the wiser heads are being ignored.

[doc]

Funny how generations come through and think they've discovered something previous generations have never experienced or won't understand. No one person has been everwhere and done everything...except maybe Keith Richards...but most people who have "been around a bit" have seen something similar and learnt, often through bitter experience, how to treat certain situations.

OK, lets use a motorcycling analogy:
Say, this BZP is some new fangled improvement being bolted to motorcycles
and is supposed to make your bike go faster and further than ever before.
- The young "L" platers are saying this stuff is amazing, they can't imagine life without it. They can't explain it to the older more experienced riders 'cos it's so new they'll "never understand" and they've never seen anything like it.
- The older riders who have been around the block a few times are saying hang on a minute, this stuff has zero quality control, what happens if something goes wrong? They may not have seen exactly this product but they've seen anti-dive, turbocharging, rotary dampers, mechanical fuel injection and lots of other gimmicks flameout. They say forget the bolt on stuff that is potentially unreliable, if you are a half decent rider you don't need it.

Now if it was really about motorcycle shit then the now generation would probably listen to yesterdays heroes 'cos there's no fashion, ego's or peer pressure involved.

Unfortunately it's about something more important than motorcycling and the wiser heads are being ignored.

You mean sort of like we use to ride without helmets and thought it was exhilarating. But that was another of our freedoms that was stomped on. Yeah it was great until the bad one. Not many people even using open face helmets anymore. Except "Hog" club.

[eHonda]

Ok wolf, you like to drink coffee to stay awake. Did you know coffee is a narcotic beverage and caffeine belongs to the same alkaloid group of chemicals as morphine, cocaine and strychnine and is addictive.

Adverse effects of coffee include insomnia and disruption of sleep patterns; tremors, nervousness, restlessness, and irritability; headaches; elevation of blood fatty acid levels; elevation of blood pressure and/or serum cholesterol levels; irregular heartbeats and palpitations, and increased risk of cardiac arrhythmia and heart attack; increased gastric acid production & aggravation of peptic ulcers; increased heartburn; increased symptoms of PMS; increased risk of bladder and rectal cancer; higher risk of the birth of a low-birth-weight child; and increased urinary calcium losses.

It may alarm you that this drug is freely available at every dairy and supermarket, for next to no cost! Surely we should ban this psychoactive drug ?

My point is that drinking coffee has its health risks, be they large or small, same as most other activities people do for recreation (like riding bikes).

Just because your recreational drug of choice (coffee alcohol or nicotine) isnt BZP doesnt mean others should have to live by your code.

Legal products being sold in shops can be regulated so that consumers know what they are buying, and kids cant get hold of it. The consumers can also be educated on the potential risks and side effects of the product. Then people can make educated decisions on how they want to live their lives. To me this sounds better than paying to put people in jail cos they got caught with BZP.

[scumdog]

Ok wolf, you like to drink coffee to stay awake. Did you know coffee is a narcotic beverage and caffeine belongs to the same alkaloid group of chemicals as morphine, cocaine and strychnine and is addictive.

Adverse effects of coffee include insomnia and disruption of sleep patterns; tremors, nervousness, restlessness, and irritability; headaches; elevation of blood fatty acid levels; elevation of blood pressure and/or serum cholesterol levels; irregular heartbeats and palpitations, and increased risk of cardiac arrhythmia and heart attack; increased gastric acid production & aggravation of peptic ulcers; increased heartburn; increased symptoms of PMS; increased risk of bladder and rectal cancer; higher risk of the birth of a low-birth-weight child; and increased urinary calcium losses.

It may alarm you that this drug is freely available at every dairy and supermarket, for next to no cost! Surely we should ban this psychoactive drug ?

To me this sounds better than paying to put people in jail cos they got caught with BZP.

Yeah, and I'll whistle Dixie out my arse the first time I see the ambo crew carting off somebody that's bought coffee of unknown quality and O.D'd on it too....

[scumdog]

You mean sort of like we use to ride without helmets and thought it was exhilarating. But that was another of our freedoms that was stomped on. Yeah it was great until the bad one. Not many people even using open face helmets anymore. Except "Hog" club.

Had open face helmets before I HAD a Hog

Use full-face helmet about two- three times a year when the weather is REALLY shitty.

Anyway, that's off topic eh!

[Storm]

Unfortunately it's about something more important than motorcycling and the wiser heads are being ignored.

Ah, finally, we get to the real point of the matter-its all about the IMAGE folks, and the opinions

Yeah, and I'll whistle Dixie out my arse the first time I see the ambo crew carting off somebody that's bought coffee of unknown quality and O.D'd on it too....

And on that , good sir, you could rest a case with the greatest of confidence

[Wolf]

Ok wolf, you like to drink coffee to stay awake.

No, I like to drink coffee because i like the taste - coffee does not keep me awake unless consumed in sufficient quantities to keep me running to the toilet all night, and in taht area, water would do almost as well (but not quite - you left out the diuretic qualities of caffeine)

Did you know coffee is a narcotic beverage and caffeine belongs to the same alkaloid group of chemicals as morphine, cocaine and strychnine and is addictive.

Actually, I am quite intimately aware of caffeine's qualities, properties, addictiveness levels etc - likewise alcohol and nicotine as I have made it a point to study such things.

It's not like I looked at a fancy label saying "party all nite long" and thought "fuck, yeah!"

I can even tell you the relative strengths of various caffeinated beverages if you'd like and explain the mechanism by which caffeine keeps people awake.

Would you like a treatise on the addictive stages and "normalisation" with that?

Adverse effects of coffee include... increased symptoms of PMS

Shit, no wonder I'm always so bitchy...

It may alarm you that this drug is freely available at every dairy and supermarket, for next to no cost!

I'd be even more alarmed if it weren't...

I think Scumdog's reply sums it all up, though.

Are you aware of the world number of caffeine-related overdoses resulting in death and it's toxicity level?

I am.