Party pills BANNED!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Party pills can be psychologically addictive BTW

And what do they do when they can't by their 'high' over the counter? Do what they did before -go without. After all, you don't think they gave up another drug to go to the party pills do you??

I'd be interested to read any paper by an expert on drug addiction to back your claim up SD.

And here's a high I know for a fact you enjoy...motorcycles. If the powers that be said you're not allowed to ride your bike anymore, would it stop you?

Before bikes, I'm sure you got your jollies other ways. Firearms? Skiing? Sky diving? I dunno...any number of things. Simply because you don't understand why kids (or anyone for that matter) would want to risk possibly doing harm to themselves by taking these substances isn't a good enough reason to take that choice away.

People will always do things that could end in tears, and they always will.

Drugs, whether they be legal (tabacco, alcohol) or illegal, will always have their victims (as do motorcycles, skiing, sky diving etc), people with addictive personalities will always find a way to fuck themselves up.

People harm themselves with razor blades. I don't see the government banning them. In fact, those that buy razor blades pay GST. This in turn helps prop up the health system and everything else.

Is it not better to have those that use drugs do likewise?

[Mystery]

I have watched in utter amazement, a teenage guest, at a New Years party my son had here, who almost had lockjaw because he had exceeded the recommended dose of his Party Pills his face was kinda stuck in grimace mode. I have also watched my son polishing the crap out of his car at 7am on a Sunday morning, then sleeping until dinnertime (What a waste) and have often wondered what the attraction is with these "Part Pills".

I am fortunate enough to have very open and trusting relationships with my 3 teenage sons (16,18,19) and 21 year old daughter. There is nothing that we have a problem discussing (I was a teenager once and can remember what it was like) and I would never judge them or refuse to help them if they had a problem. I was discussing the contents (BZP?) of these party pills with my 19 year old son who, along with his friends take these things when they go out to dance parties etc. He was surprised to learn they contained things like cattle drench . It didnt bother him that they could be made illegal.

Will it put him off them, probably! Will he try P or something stronger instead? I doubt it very much. The youth of today are not completely stupid and I have a lot of faith in them. I dont think that banning these things will make them turn to harder drugs. Alcoholics maybe, but P users No!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I dont think that banning these things will make them turn to harder drugs. Alcoholics maybe, but P users No!

Oh shit! That's ok then. Alcoholics are so much better.

[Zapf]

Party pills can be psychologically addictive BTW

And what do they do when they can't by their 'high' over the counter? Do what they did before -go without. After all, you don't think they gave up another drug to go to the party pills do you??

Party pills can be psychologically addictive, yes but so can many other things. KFC / Cola / Computer games. And computer games probly waste more time and $ in the world than all the drugs add together.

Funny enough I know people who have gave up other drugs to do party pills. Its an alternative the way they see it.

[avgas]

At least we still have our books!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Zapf]

I dont think that banning these things will make them turn to harder drugs. Alcoholics maybe, but P users No!

True, but the next legal replacement might actually be worse than the one it replaced.

these BZP based pills are actually worse than the real deal in many ways.

[Zapf]

Well said bro, this stuff is always gonna be available to people, so let's try to keep it from more reputable sources, than the likes of your local "tinny House".

did you remember a while back with all the cases of successful business mans and realestate developers getting busted for importing estacy? Reputable? sometimes the worse ones are the ones looking the cleanest.

[Mystery]

Oh shit! That's ok then. Alcoholics are so much better.

That kinda came out wrong! It seems that some teenagers need some sort of artificial high to enjoy life and enhance their self confidence! I believe most wouldnt move to stronger drugs but will stick with alcohol because it will be the only legal drug of choice. Definitely not a good option but unfortunately the only legal one left!

[rideNroot]

Party pills can be psychologically addictive BTW

So can be smearing shit over your face.. anything can be depending on the person. Some people are just born addicts, and that will never change.

Why would they go without when they can just get it from their mates? Who have purchased it from black power / mongrel mob / whoever, and maybe added a little horse tranquilizer for added kick or add up the weight...

[scumdog]

Ah well, after reading all of the above it seems like those Health Department approved, high quality, ingredient specific Party-Pills are ok then?

And I guess if they aren't at least it's not my funeral.

You chose, you lose - not my problem.

[Grahameeboy]

Choices.........according to many we don't have this luxury anymore!!.....now what shall I do today.......I think I will chose to wake up, go to work, have fun, leave at 4, go to the Gym, go out for the evening.........not a party pill in sight or a Govt. Referee telling me I cannot do that........is life that simple, surely not.....he he

[Albino]

Alcohol is more far addictive than party pills. Tobacco is exponentially more so.

And from personal experience I am sure that many people have used party pills as a substitute for illegal drugs.

Take a trip over to the UK and hang out with some kiwis and aussies on their OE. Check out the drug culture, where an ecstacy tablet costs around £2, speed is around £5-10 per gram, and a gram of cocain has dropped to around £40. Every weekend 5 million ecstacy tablets are consumed (how many of these contain pure ecstacy or MDMA is anyones guess) at dance parties, clubs and bars. Our kids - especially the educated ones with money to burn - are going hard over there.

So, when they come back home to boring old NZ, do they a) try to import some of this stuff - think of the profit!, b) try to buy it from some one else, or c) use the legal stuff which isn't quite so good, get bored with it and move on in life.

Despite your opinions on whether people should take drugs, it does happen. IMHO c is the surely the better option......?

[kro]

You may not have any time for party pills and drugs, but believe me these days the chances are that your children will. So do you want to a) be an ostrich, or b) offer them the safest alternatives.

I will go one better, and provide them a stress free home life, active hobbies, and past times, spend a truck load of time with them, and make the whole "pill scene" seem like a waste of time and money. There are are chances my kids might go there, but sure as hell I can minimise that chance ever getting in their face by educating them early.
If they never try the damn things, then "freedom of choice" is irrelevant to them, because there's nothing to miss.

[scumdog]

I will go one better, and provide them a stress free home life, active hobbies, and past times, spend a truck load of time with them, and make the whole "pill scene" seem like a waste of time and money. There are are chances my kids might go there, but sure as hell I can minimise that chance ever getting in their face by educating them early.
If they never try the damn things, then "freedom of choice" is irrelevant to them, because there's nothing to miss.

I'm with this mans ideas - it worked OK for me and my boys.

Most of the ones that REGULARLY use party-pills around here seem to have 'something' wrong with them.

[Albino]

I will go one better, and provide them a stress free home life, active hobbies, and past times, spend a truck load of time with them, and make the whole "pill scene" seem like a waste of time and money. There are are chances my kids might go there, but sure as hell I can minimise that chance ever getting in their face by educating them early.
If they never try the damn things, then "freedom of choice" is irrelevant to them, because there's nothing to miss.

That's the ostrich bit I was talking about.

I had all that, as did most of my friends. I was seriously anti-drugs, cigarettes etc until I went traveling and decided that I wanted to make up my own mind about things instead of living my life by my parents attitudes.

If your kids go to live in the UK, I'd say the odds are near 50% that cocaine will go up their nose at some point. They won't tell you that though, because they know how you feel about it. And you won't know they've done it because they will come home healthy, happy and normal - not like a deranged addict that you'd expect.