Party pills BANNED!

[Zapf]

Yeah, and I'll whistle Dixie out my arse the first time I see the ambo crew carting off somebody that's bought coffee of unknown quality and O.D'd on it too....

well that would be a function of how much they take.

Ever tried drinking 4 cans on V and 4 cans of redbull in one sitting? Its not recommended but effects would be similar to some of the classed drugs.

[Steam]

Ever tried drinking 4 cans on V and 4 cans of redbull in one sitting? Its not recommended but effects would be similar to some of the classed drugs.

I'm gunna try it! I am NOT going to ride the same day though. Two cans of V are enough to get my house cleaned and vacuumed, the dishes done, the bike cleaned, and the lawns mown. I am very sensitive to caffeine.

[eHonda]

"Actually, I am quite intimately aware of caffeine's qualities, properties, addictiveness levels etc - likewise alcohol and nicotine as I have made it a point to study such things."

Thats good, and you still choose to use them on your own free will, whats the difference from BZP users doing the same?

" It's not like I looked at a fancy label saying "party all nite long" and thought "fuck, yeah!" "

Like people dont watch beer ads and think fuck yeah drink tui be cool, funny ,in with the hot girls etc? Im sure lots of them havent looked into what beer does to the body. If BZP was regulated so that warning labels were put on it, then it could be up to the user to read the label.


"I think Scumdog's reply sums it all up, though."

Yeah well ive seen some pretty horiffic things that motorcycles have done to people, ban them and then people will be safer..... its all relative.
Its not what the pills have done, its what the people have done to themselves with the pills. OD on sleeping pills and you die as well.

[scumdog]

well that would be a function of how much they take.

Ever tried drinking 4 cans on V and 4 cans of redbull in one sitting? Its not recommended but effects would be similar to some of the classed drugs.

Never tried it - a can of V a year is all I've ever drunk, they taste cruddy and do nothing for me -at that price they're waaay over-rated.

But I have seen young ones quaffing back cans of V to wash down their party-pills and then get on with their 440ml cans of Woodstock.

[Wolf]

well that would be a function of how much they take.

Ever tried drinking 4 cans on V and 4 cans of redbull in one sitting? Its not recommended but effects would be similar to some of the classed drugs.

It would take a hell of a lot more than 4 cans of V to OD a person on caffeine - talking in terms of serious repercussions or death, not merely feeling so wired you can pick up FM radio in your head.

Hyperventilating furiously for about two minutes can also have effects similar to the classed drugs and I understand from talking with an ex-junkie that spiking marmite also gets you pretty high (his theory was that the brain reacts quite strongly to concentrations of foreign molecules, no matter what they are).

[scumdog]

"
"I think Scumdog's reply sums it all up, though."

Yeah well ive seen some pretty horiffic things that motorcycles have done to people, ban them and then people will be safer..... its all relative.
Its not what the pills have done, its what the people have done to themselves with the pills. OD on sleeping pills and you die as well.

So how much towards their ambo trips/hospital stays have those that o/d on party-pills etc comtributed as compared to motorcyclists??

[eHonda]

So, put a tax on them then like alcohol and cigarettes, simple.

[Wolf]

Thats good, and you still choose to use them on your own free will, whats the difference from BZP users doing the same?

Ummm, well, lets see...

Perhaps because BZP is a far more powerful psychotropic than caffeine and can cause psychosis and seizures?

According to your simplistic logic, we should legalise P, E, LSD, PCP, and the whole fucking alphabet of recreational psychotropics as caffeine, nicotine and alcohol are all legal.

You point me to someone who's had a psychotic break owing to over-injestion of caffeine.

Pop a few too many party pills and you're looking at serious problems.

Drink a few too many coffees and you're running to the toilet. To piss or puke depending on how hard out you've gone.

You would have been on firmer ground using alcohol as your example as there are very spectacular disadvantages to having far too much of that.

[Steam]

It would take a hell of a lot more than 4 cans of V to OD a person on caffeine - talking in terms of serious repercussions or death,

I just worked it out, you'd need to drink 42 cans of V or Red Bull (30mg Caffeine per 100ml) to hit the theoretical LD50 (Lethal Dose for 50% of test subjects.)

Some interesting lethal caffeine facts here, including cases of people who have died from caffeine overdose. Including a 2-year-old girl, who got her toddler hands on a bottle of no-doze. Sad.

And my lethal dose calculation was based on this

[Zapf]

It would take a hell of a lot more than 4 cans of V to OD a person on caffeine - talking in terms of serious repercussions or death, not merely feeling so wired you can pick up FM radio in your head.

Hyperventilating furiously for about two minutes can also have effects similar to the classed drugs and I understand from talking with an ex-junkie that spiking marmite also gets you pretty high (his theory was that the brain reacts quite strongly to concentrations of foreign molecules, no matter what they are).

I know it won't OD anyone. Just saying it has some similar effects.

Anyhow Party pills are just the tip of the visible iceberg. So in effect banning it is just kicking the problem under the bed as such.

[Wolf]

I just worked it out, you'd need to drink 42 cans of V or Red Bull (30mg Caffeine per 100ml) to hit the theoretical LD50 (Lethal Dose for 50% of test subjects.)

Most people would be reenacting a famous scene from "The Exorcist" long before that point.

Don't forget, you've also got a time constraint as your body will be breaking the caffeine down while you're drinking, so you can't tarry too long over your 42 Vs.

No-Doz would be a far more efficient - 100mg of caffeine each and it takes less time to swallow a pill than it does to drink a V.

[Zapf]

But I have seen young ones quaffing back cans of V to wash down their party-pills and then get on with their 440ml cans of Woodstock.

ermm.. bad taste. Mind you party pills are very nice with bubbles Relax you which Alcho does, but keeps your head clear and awake. Only tried a few times mind you.

I just worked it out, you'd need to drink 42 cans of V or Red Bull (30mg Caffeine per 100ml) to hit the theoretical LD50 (Lethal Dose for 50% of test subjects.)

Ermm... that is Lethal dose. Party pills or whatever drug, people don't take them to kill themselves

Also I think there is something much worse than Caffeine in that drink.

[soundbeltfarm]

agree with you albino about the O.E thing.
When i was on my o.e i would've rattled if i jumped up and down, all the shit i ingested.
every one was doing it and so i just tried it and it was alot cheaper than piss.
we would pay about 8 squid for an E and at the time a bottle of beer was about 1. 85 squid.
i never had any downers on E , did on speed though.
i never had a bad trip so was lucky.
im not sure if any of it fucked my body.
i feel normal and have 2 great kids with no known defects.
people that know me may say im not normal but thats just my mates.
i used to laugh to my self once i was back and hear parents saying their child was over seas but they;d never take drugs because they were brought up right.
and some of those peoples kids were bad abusers of the stuff.
but since i've been home ive never touched the stuff and will never again.
i drink but dont smoke (fuck that )
SBF out

[Kickaha]

You mean sort of like we use to ride without helmets and thought it was exhilarating. .

I just used to think it was fucking uncomfortable

[rideNroot]

Ummm, well, lets see...

Perhaps because BZP is a far more powerful psychotropic than caffeine and can cause psychosis and seizures?

Smells like bullshit.

Wolf, you sound like you've experienced all this before. It's great that you aren't a drug-fucked slobbering idiot. Obviously you know your limits and thats good for you.

So because of this, you think it's your right to tell other people what they can and cannot do with their lives?

I respect the fact that you think they're bad so you won't have them, but couldn't you agree that people should have the choice?
Wouldn't it be a better idea to ban things like alcohol or tobacco, which kill so many of us each year.. as opposed to party pills? (of which no one in NZ has died from)
Unfortunately too many people with your mindset are the ones setting the policies.