AWNR - Auckland Wednesday Night Ride

**EJK** · 26th May 2008, 19:48

Originally Posted by Kittyhawk

binning is so overated, drifting is alot more fun if you balance the throttle like a ballerina

I wouldn't have a clue how fun it is cause I've never done it before

**Kittyhawk** · 26th May 2008, 21:18

Originally Posted by EJKDDORAI

I wouldn't have a clue how fun it is cause I've never done it before

there is always room to recover, you just need to learn the asecret ways of biking...

**Big Dog** · 27th May 2008, 13:27

Originally Posted by Kittyhawk

u guys r a bunch of ******** why not try emergency braking in the wet?

when ya lock ya fron n rear, power on for an awesome slide

To elaborate.
The above is basically correct, but there are some buts and gotchas.
If you let go at the front and rear at the same time, as a push, staying on the gas and or gently raising the amount of horses being whipped is your only real hope.
You may of course also need to make corrections in body position or steering angle to ride it out, these need to be slight and smooth.
Should you back off or use the brakes you will meet the pavement on one side or the other.

You may still come off under power, but at least it will be lowside which generally hurts less.

If you have locked the brakes you need to come off them first.
Often this will result in a headshake.
The reason you were braking at that point will determine your next move.
Coming in to a corner too hot?
You will probably have to commit to the corner and hope your bike is better than you are a rider.
Coming in to a corner too hot and there is an alternate exit such as a driveway?
You may be better to stand it up and ride it out.
There was an emergency in a corner?
Only you can answer that depending on the evidence in front of you.
Emergency on a straight no other exits?
Straighten up and re apply the brakes is probably the best, scrub off as much speed as you can before you hit the hazard at least. A sliding tyre does little to slow you down. Maximum braking is where it is screaming and or smoking but still gripping (the combination will be different on different tyres).
Emergency on the straight and there is an exit? Let go of the brakes and give it some welly is probably the best bet.

The less load you have on the front tyre the less likely that tyre is to be the mechanism of spitting you off.

If your still reading you will have noticed that some of this is a little vague?
This is because there are no perfect answers and there are no definites other than if someone says they are on the perfect bike or a perfect rider they are definitely wrong.

The only way to stand a chance of recovery is to have done your drills when it is not an emergency and to have luck on your side.

Every response to every circumstance changes given the current evidence.
Where was your exit?
Has it really gone?
Is there a better one?

Do nothing get hurt, do something you might still get hurt.

The other week I did something and still got hurt. But I was still trying to save it when I hit the deck.

**Big Dog** · 27th May 2008, 13:33

Originally Posted by Kittyhawk

there is always room to recover, you just need to learn the asecret ways of biking...

Sometimes there isn't.
Sometimes the best course of action is to mitigate as much as possible.
Hitting a parked car is bound to hurt less than falling in front of a speeding truck.
Sometimes we need to accept that we have gone beyond the limits of our bike and body and look to do the least harm.

Never say die, make the most of every choice you have... but recognise when you are fucked and take the road less fucked.

**Kittyhawk** · 27th May 2008, 15:40

i have to agree...when i binned it was 50% my fault for following too close to the rider in front and 50% with a speeding truck coming too hot into a corner on a back country road. thus means i was riding about 10% outside my riding limit and did not allow room for error.

had 3 options there..
1 - heavily brake and slam my bike into the ass of the busa in front
2 - go right miss her but clip the oncoming truck
3 - go left and avoid the truck miss the bike and try recover

everything happened in slow motion at a mild 70km/hr, i took option 3 went off road just missing the bank laid the bike down and slid. Think there were 6 other bikes behind so I did run the risk of getting hit, but with my motor x skills naturally kicking in i didnt do alot of damage to me or the bike. got up was checked over waited for bike to start and it was back on the road to the pub.

i have had so many bins off road that road riding dosent scare me and that is a dangerous headspace right there. its normal to feel adrenline when you have a close call, to have second thoughts about that tight corner you are approaching etc..

tip of the day ride within your limits and check to make sure you have the ability to recover, if you have gone outside you limits and something happens try your best to recover. dont follow busas on back roads with speeding trucks lol

**fizbin** · 27th May 2008, 16:22

now your just milking it right

**Kittyhawk** · 27th May 2008, 16:54

Originally Posted by fizbin

now your just milking it right

er.... that bin happend back in 06 on a northland ride.

Im proud to say in 7 years road riding thats the only accident i have had...god knows how many times ive dropped bikes stationary tho

**Maha** · 27th May 2008, 16:59

Originally Posted by Kittyhawk

er.... that bin happend back in 06 on a northland ride.

Im proud to say in 7 years road riding thats the only accident i have had...god knows how many times ive dropped bikes stationary tho

Sure was, and I have the pics here to prove it...

Gravel rash on the ZX6r....Kittynow pointing to the slide mark...

**Kittyhawk** · 27th May 2008, 17:34

Originally Posted by maha man

Sure was, and I have the pics here to prove it...

Gravel rash on the ZX6r....Kittynow pointing to the slide mark...

ooer post em up!!

yea wasnt too bad

im not scared of binning, but was scared to see if there was any blood on me dammit

**Maha** · 28th May 2008, 07:45

Originally Posted by Kittyhawk

ooer post em up!!

yea wasnt too bad

im not scared of binning, but was scared to see if there was any blood on me dammit

Ok here ya go then....goodness you look different!...must be those leg warmer things?

**Mom** · 28th May 2008, 08:17

Originally Posted by Kittyhawk

ooer post em up!!

yea wasnt too bad

im not scared of binning, but was scared to see if there was any blood on me dammit

You did fine...LOL You were in good hands mate, couple of nurses around to make sure you would be fine. What actually impressed me about your bin (the photo does not do it justice really) was the fact that you managed to stay upright for that long, under brakes, riding right on the edge of that drain! Now that was skills indeed, scrubbing off speed so the landing was not as hard as it could have been!