Is this place run by idiots...........?

**98tls** · 7th July 2007, 19:35

No not KB..........i was listening to the 6 oclock news tonight whilst mucking about on here.........there was a segment about a drink driving blitz and some disbelief/amazement/disappointment at the numbers they caught.....they say that drink driving is on the rise and has been since 2002.....isnt that about the same time they lowered the legal drinking age.....not saying that was directly responsible for every drink driver but i bet it hasnt helped......i always thought it was an act of lunacy to lower it but hey that just my opinion..............police are calling for the limit to be lowered..i cant see that helping really......they will just catch more doing it.......awhile back they said they would impose the 3 strike rule but it doesnt seem to have happened........i firmly believe that a rigid 2 strike rule would lower the numbers drink driving........then again thats probably to sensible for the dogooders........gotta feel sorry for the cops..they do there bit and catch people but our justice system doesnt punish them until they cause carnage....

**onearmedbandit** · 7th July 2007, 19:42

The problem lies with those to whom the law and the consequences mean nothing. Like the guy that killed those two motorcyclists recently.

**janno** · 7th July 2007, 19:47

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

The problem lies with those to whom the law and the consequences mean nothing. Like the guy that killed those two motorcyclists recently.

Kinda +1 on this one.

But remember in the eighties, the big booze barns with acres of parking, and when driving home drunk for many people was OK if you didn't get caught or hit anyone.

Presumably there are less drunk drivers out there now as opposed to in the bad old days, due to harsher penalties and increased RBTs?

I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers were the same, taking in to account the population increase and more cars on the road, but is the percentage of drink driving crashes lower now?

Patrick? Scummy?

**Oakie** · 7th July 2007, 19:55

Originally Posted by 98tls

.....they say that drink driving is on the rise and has been since 2002.....isnt that about the same time they lowered the legal drinking age.....

Yep, I had exactly the same thought.

**98tls** · 7th July 2007, 19:57

Myself i firmly believe that its the whole justice system here that causes its own problems........the cops with there limited resources do there bit and are then basically shat on by the court system...jesus the court system even has a bunch of dogooders sat round waiting to help the defendant out..crazy..probation.....thats a real good example......a guy burgles houses etc,generally makes other peoples lives a misery and the court sees fit to sentence him to probation....

he reports once a week for a few minutes end of story........OMG how terrible that must be for the poor bugger...no wonder he goes and does it again...he hasnt been punished for the first time...its a wonder the court doesnt give im a crowbar to make it easier to get in next time

**WarlockNZ** · 7th July 2007, 20:35

I feel the need to post here ... must resist ... but cannot .. please forgive me if this is a little disjointed, I'm drinking and NOT driving : )

My argument is simply this, there are not enough police in this country ... WOAH !!! .. hang on now ... don't freak out ..

Have you noticed that every government says it will increase the size of the police force??, Hell i can remember back to when the government of the day said that and then combined the MOT and the police into one unit ... but to this day we have police cars with a yellow strip and an orange one.

What we need are more "Front Line" Police. (not the guys with the yellow decals, we have enough of those, as the bikers with all the tickets will tell you).

The fact remains that Drink Driving is never a good thing and the fact that so many people are caught points to a flaw in the Kiwi mind, i'm sorry .. but it has to be said.

New Zealand has a culture of drinking, just look at the 6 o'clock swill (before my time) .. what it boils down to is that some people just don't give a shit if they get behind the wheel drunk and they don't think about the consequences of there actions.

**98tls** · 7th July 2007, 20:39

Originally Posted by WarlockNZ

I feel the need to post here ... must resist ... but cannot .. please forgive me if this is a little disjointed, I'm drinking and NOT driving : )

My argument is simply this, there are not enough police in this country ... WOAH !!! .. hang on now ... don't freak out ..

Have you noticed that every government says it will increase the size of the police force??, Hell i can remember back to when the government of the day said that and then combined the MOT and the police into one unit ... but to this day we have police cars with a yellow strip and an orange one.

What we need are more "Front Line" Police. (not the guys with the yellow decals, we have enough of those, as the bikers with all the tickets will tell you).

The fact remains that Drink Driving is never a good thing and the fact that so many people are caught points to a flaw in the Kiwi mind, i'm sorry .. but it has to be said.

New Zealand has a culture of drinking, just look at the 6 o'clock swill (before my time) .. what it boils down to is that some people just don't give a shit if they get behind the wheel drunk and they don't think about the consequences of there actions.

Agreed mate but if theres no real punishment then people just keep doing it...no matter how many cops there are.......bang a guy up for 12 months the second time he does it and i bet that has an impact.....most will lose there jobs...some will lose there house etc........they will only do 6 or so but plenty of time to think how cheap taxis are.........

**oldrider** · 7th July 2007, 20:40

Lawyers and Judges and all the other useless do-gooders being paid (without question) out of the public trough without consequence!

All care taken, no responsibility, no one ever to blame, again no consequence!

The only ones held responsible are the victims!

Doesn't stop there, try holding someone in the public health sector responsible for their actions!

Once again the only ones with any consequence are the patients!

Education!

The list goes on and on.

Friggen socialists, they are shagging this country!

Constrained, John.

**98tls** · 7th July 2007, 20:41

Originally Posted by oldrider

Lawyers and Judges and all the other useless do-gooders being paid (without question) out of the public trough without consequence!

All care taken, no responsibility, no one ever to blame, again no consequence!

The only ones held responsible are the victims!

Doesn't stop there, try holding someone in the public health sector responsible for their actions!

Once again the only ones with any consequence are the patients!

Education!

The list goes on and on.

Friggen socialists, they are shagging this country!

Constrained, John.

Agreed entirely........good post john...

**janno** · 7th July 2007, 20:44

Originally Posted by WarlockNZ

My argument is simply this, there are not enough police in this country ... WOAH !!! .. hang on now ... don't freak out ..

Agreed! And they should be carrying, too. None of this guns locked in the boot rubbish.

**WarlockNZ** · 7th July 2007, 20:44

Originally Posted by 98tls

no real punishment then people just keep doing it

I'm actually in favour of a zero tolerance policy .. you get caught drink driving ... they crush your car.

**avgas** · 7th July 2007, 20:52

I personally don't think there is enough fear in NZ for crims. No death sentence, Life isn't life, kill someone wont cost you your life, hurt someone and they will get worse than you.
If im ever diagnosed with cancer, and have say 1 week left to live - i know what i'd do.