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**manuboy** · 23rd September 2004, 15:00

Originally Posted by Motu

I got a awesome gingabread recipie,it's got about a cup of molasses in it an you can use it to seal fuel tank leaks.

Dude, if it seals fuel tank leaks, what the hell does it do to your ah....

... you know....

ah forward the recipe anyway dude, i'll add a kg of licorice and start selling it.... if Chris Cairns can get away with that shite he calls fudge.....

**jrandom** · 23rd September 2004, 15:02

Originally Posted by Motu

I got a awesome gingabread recipie,it's got about a cup of molasses in it an you can use it to seal fuel tank leaks.

Mmmmmmm. Gingerbreeeeeeeead (H. J. Simpson style).

Post the recipe.

**Jackrat** · 23rd September 2004, 18:45

i planted some pittosporums up me driveway when I lived in pukekohe but the exhaust fumes from the mrs escort killed half of em so much for the nursery guys tough plants have to do better than them things to beat my Mrs
that irelevent enough for ya :spudwave:

**manuboy** · 23rd September 2004, 19:19

Originally Posted by Jackrat

i planted some pittosporums up me driveway when I lived in pukekohe but the exhaust fumes from the mrs escort killed half of em so much for the nursery guys tough plants have to do better than them things to beat my Mrs
that irelevent enough for ya :spudwave:

Man! i accidentally poored half a litre of turps and some paint thinner on one of ours and it never even noticed... that must be one Toxic escort....

**Jackrat** · 23rd September 2004, 20:11

could off bin the naboar rounduped the buggers

we didnt get on
they moved first but

**manuboy** · 24th September 2004, 08:56

Yippppeeeee!

Was "allocated" my first speeding infringement last night. Passed a guy in a beat up old van who was doin just under 50km/h on a dead straight road. Once passed him i settled to 60km/h. About 2K's later i got pulled. The cop reckoned i'd accelerated to 70km/h during the manouevre. He was probably right. $80 ain't bad, accept it's a possible CBTA license killer.... ooops!

But Anyway! I know enough to know that m/c riding isn't as simple as it sometimes seems. Is there anything i can do to make to odd putt thru town i have to do, more comfortable (and legal)? At 50km i'm either in 2nd or 3d and the vibration through the clipons is pretty numbing after about 3-4 minutes. I can't lock my legs around the tank to shift the weight off my arms for that long (yet). Must be technique right?

Any other vtwin guys / gals who suffer the same? Whaddya do? Just harden up?

**vifferman** · 24th September 2004, 09:38

Originally Posted by manuboy

But Anyway! I know enough to know that m/c riding isn't as simple as it sometimes seems. Is there anything i can do to make to odd putt thru town i have to do, more comfortable (and legal)? At 50km i'm either in 2nd or 3d and the vibration through the clipons is pretty numbing after about 3-4 minutes. I can't lock my legs around the tank to shift the weight off my arms for that long (yet). Must be technique right?

Any other vtwin guys / gals who suffer the same? Whaddya do? Just harden up?

Firstly, posture is important: try to push your stomach out / stick your butt out, so your back and stomach muscles are supporting you. It feels awkward at first, but you should get used to doing it so it becomes second nature. If you do this, there should be no weight on your arms. If that doesn't help, then you could try different clip-ons - there's probably something from another Suzuki that'll fit and provide more height. Alternatively, there are aftermarket clip-ons from Tomaselli, Convertibar, Helibar, etc. that will fix things. I added GenMar risers to mine, but an alternative for me would've been the bars from a post-2001 VTR, as they are 19mm higher and angled differently.
If you have Lots o' Vibes™ through your clip-ons, you could get heavier bar-end weights. If it's just the revs that you're riding at, lower the gearing a bit (your bike's probably overgeared anyway) by getting a 2-tooth bigger sprocket on the rear. If nothing else, that'll revolutionise the way the bike is to ride, right through the gears. (You're effectively increasing the torque at the rear wheel in every gear).
Hope some of this helps.

**kerryg** · 24th September 2004, 09:53

Originally Posted by manuboy

The cop reckoned i'd accelerated to 70km/h during the manouevre. :

I thought it was OK to briefly exceed the speed limit during overtaking in the interests of doing it safely....am I wrong???...again???

**riffer** · 24th September 2004, 10:38

Originally Posted by kerryg

I thought it was OK to briefly exceed the speed limit during overtaking in the interests of doing it safely....am I wrong???...again???

Not what I've been told. My last ticket I was told if I had to exceed the speed limit to overtake then it wasn't necessary.

**jrandom** · 24th September 2004, 10:42

Originally Posted by celticno6

Not what I've been told. My last ticket I was told if I had to exceed the speed limit to overtake then it wasn't necessary.

Indeed.

And it's probably why the boys at Autocar Magazine have taken to referring to measured 80-120 acceleration times as Time Exposed to Danger (TED) measurements, in a most likely ineffectual effort to undermine the establishment.

**vifferman** · 24th September 2004, 11:01

Originally Posted by celticno6

Not what I've been told. My last ticket I was told if I had to exceed the speed limit to overtake then it wasn't necessary.

And that is just friggin' stupid.

Surely the bottom line of all road laws is safety? And in many circumstances, it would be safer to briefly exceed the speed limit then pull in again and slow down, than to follow someone doing say 90km/h and end up with a long line of inattentive, angry people who are probably following too closely etc., OR to pass at 100 km/h and take a very long while to do so.
This is the primary idiocy of sticking to a "Speed Kills" line of propaganda: it's overly simplistic, and fails to directly address the primary cause of crashes which is poor driving resulting from poor attitudes resulting from poor education and a poor standard of driver testing. Really, when you think about it, if EVERYONE on the road was highly skilled AND had a sensible attitude to driving, then road conditions, weather conditions, and speed limits would be totally irrelevant. Think about it...

Instead, we have roads full of people who shouldn't be allowed to drive, and a climate of blame-shifting: "It's the dangerous roads." "It's the gubmint's fault!" "It's the other bloke's bad driving." Blah blah blah. Add to that a punitive regime which is failing to fix things, and you end up with a grumpy and unco-operative motoring public.

Like the piece in the paper the other day: if the answer is the 3 E's (Education, Enforcement, Engineering), why is the entire focus on EnforcEmEnt?

**manuboy** · 24th September 2004, 11:07

Originally Posted by kerryg

I thought it was OK to briefly exceed the speed limit during overtaking in the interests of doing it safely....am I wrong???...again???

I would've thought (and have been told) in the interests of safety, get it done as quickly as poss... within reason.

Hey.. anybody know how must distance it takes to overtake somebody if you do all the legal stuff i.e indicate for 3 seconds (?) pull out, indicate, pull back in if you are doing around about the open road limit? i got told, but i can't remember - it was ridiculous anyway. It would limit the places you could legally and practically pass in NZ to .. well, not that many stretches of road....i could be wrong of course...

**manuboy** · 24th September 2004, 11:13

Originally Posted by firestormer

And that is just friggin' stupid.

Like the piece in the paper the other day: if the answer is the 3 E's (Education, Enforcement, Engineering), why is the entire focus on EnforcEmEnt?

Yup! Fully agree. I think the answer has to do with whats easiest. Enforcement must be easier than education and engineering.

But last night i just copped it (cos yeah, i did speed...) and tried to keep it short and sweet with the man. I had the feeling he thought i was unlicensed and had stolen the bike - how many people steal a bike and wear full road gear (brand new sidi's even!).

Well i guess i should be thankful. If somebody did steal it i'd be grateful he asked the question if the rider got pulled up....

p.s thanks for the advice. Have a service in 200k, will i have to remove links if i go two teeth down?

**James Deuce** · 24th September 2004, 11:26

Do you guys never watch interviews with Police bigwigs and "safety" experts? It has been pointed out ad nauseum over the last 12 months that it is illegal to exceed the speed limit for any reason including overtaking. TV3 demonstrated how long it took to overtake a car doing 90km/hr on the open road without exceeding 100km/hr and took some outrageous distance and time to do it. Accelerating to 120km/hr dropped the TED to a 1/4 of the cited distance and time for the 100km/hr overtake. The Police refused to back down, though they suggested that it would be at the discretion of the issuing officer as to whether or not speeding whilst overtaking would be deemed a ticketable offence.

**riffer** · 24th September 2004, 12:03

Originally Posted by Jim2

Do you guys never watch interviews with Police bigwigs and "safety" experts? It has been pointed out ad nauseum over the last 12 months that it is illegal to exceed the speed limit for any reason including overtaking. TV3 demonstrated how long it took to overtake a car doing 90km/hr on the open road without exceeding 100km/hr and took some outrageous distance and time to do it. Accelerating to 120km/hr dropped the TED to a 1/4 of the cited distance and time for the 100km/hr overtake. The Police refused to back down, though they suggested that it would be at the discretion of the issuing officer as to whether or not speeding whilst overtaking would be deemed a ticketable offence.

35 seconds IIRC. Best you all be good sheep and stay with the flock. baaaa.