Why the Iraqis hate the Yanks

**Laava** · 31st July 2007, 11:06

I like the bit at the end when the commentator is disgusted with the guy picking his nose! Like it's reinforcing the reason they are there in the first place
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-805L9VtyQ

**Harry33** · 31st July 2007, 11:35

I think the post comments say it all really.

**ManDownUnder** · 31st July 2007, 11:37

I disagree.... what context was it in? On their way to a fire fight? Are they just being bastards?

We don't know... from the footage - we just don't know. And till we know their motives, how is it possible to judge their actions.

Swap the humvie for an Ambulance on the way to a 5 car accident where 10 people laying dying or bleeding. Suddenly it seems they're not being pushy enough...

**canarlee** · 31st July 2007, 11:40

i have seen that vid before (not on here tho), the reason for driving like that i have been told is (by an ex marine) if they just went with the traffic flow then it is quite likely that would make tham an easier target for bombers etc, so they have to keep moving at a good pace and not stop for anything!

**Romeo** · 31st July 2007, 11:41

If anyone actually wants to get an education as to some of the reasons why America isn't so popular in the middle east, here's a good *factual* source.

The current Iraq situation
- Sanctions and military action against Iraq during the period following the Gulf war
- US/UK Buildup for War on Iraq
- Iraq—2003 onwards; War, Aftermath and Post-Saddam

How the west controls Resources; Supporting Dictators and the Rise of Terrorism

Of course there are people with differing opinions and experiences, they're free feel how they like. But unjustifiably and illogically exacting those feelings is wrong, whether they're the "good guys", or the "bad guys".

I sometimes ask Americans if the Russians did a good thing going into Afganistan in 1979, "They went to eliminate the terrorist threat". To which many say "Yeah, it was a great idea!" - Too bad their own American government was supporting the islamic "terrorists" back then, just shows how easy it is to manipulate opinions with loaded words I guess.

//edit: The dudes in the Hummer are just doing their jobs - if you don't want to get hit get the hell outa the way. At least it means good business for the Iraqi pannelbeaters!

**Steam** · 31st July 2007, 11:46

Two sides to every story I guess, tune in to Fox or CNN for the American side, tune in to Al-Jazeera or Youtube for the Iraqi side.

The Haditha massacre?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn-UWfJsj5U

Marines talking about how awesome it feels to kill someone... even if he was an insurgent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vERcTSqw7Ko

Army / contractors kill anyone who approaches their car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nNSovh3hYs

You loot wood, we will crush your car with our tank and laugh while doing it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo2U3ZqoLfw

**Harry33** · 31st July 2007, 11:47

you have a good point MDU. The only question I have is to they have cameras in all there hummers or was it just a soldier shooting his own action flick or is it some sort of driver training video? Does any ex-soldiers know if these hummers have onboard cameras?

I always wonder why people post these things on youtube because with out the full story people are left to their imaginations.

**ManDownUnder** · 31st July 2007, 11:52

Originally Posted by Harry33

you have a good point MDU. The only question I have is to they have cameras in all there hummers or was it just a soldier shooting his own action flick or is it some sort of driver training video? Does any ex-soldiers know if these hummers have onboard cameras?

I always wonder why people post these things on youtube because with out the full story people are left to their imaginations.

Yeah I dunno. I imagine they'd have cameras everywhere for intel if nothing else.

I do like the other news sources though - again... to get the other side of the story. Amasing how one side sounds so radically different from the other.

**Harry33** · 31st July 2007, 11:52

Originally Posted by canarlee

i have seen that vid before (not on here tho), the reason for driving like that i have been told is (by an ex marine) if they just went with the traffic flow then it is quite likely that would make tham an easier target for bombers etc, so they have to keep moving at a good pace and not stop for anything!

I wish I read that before my last post. lol. That sounds about right after watching some of those ambushing videos.

**Swoop** · 31st July 2007, 12:24

It's hard to tell if Iraqi drivers are better or worse than kiwis.
On one issue, they are the same - complete inability to use rear vision mirrors.

A mate in Afganistan is working security. Nothing slower than 100Mph and straddling the white line to keep away from roadside bombs.

**terbang** · 31st July 2007, 12:25

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

And till we know their motives, how is it possible to judge their actions.

The origional motive was weapons of mass destruction followed closely by links to terrorist organisation.
No evidence of that yet, but a lot of people have died in the process. Difficult not to judge their actions in the light of so many unfounded excuses.

**ManDownUnder** · 31st July 2007, 12:27

Originally Posted by terbang

The origional motive was weapons of mass destruction followed closely by links to terrorist organisation.
No evidence of that yet, but a lot of people have died in the process,

LOL nice troll but I'm sure the people in the Humvee weren't directly involved in the first decision...

**Laava** · 31st July 2007, 12:36

The point is tho' no matter what the reason is for driving like this, they are doing it in someone elses country. Bound to cause massive resentment. There will be compassionate soldiers amongst them, but they will always be seen as outsiders at best.