The new Pro Twins class

[Robert Taylor]

Oh yes, quite right, it is an excellent example. I was meaning by 'flashy fully adjustable' in the same way Yamaha made the R1-SP .

I'm not saying any of the manufacturers will do that, but if they did, it could really stuff up a production based class that doesn't allow suspension mods.

The simple answer is that the world is run by number crunchers....mediocrity reigns supreme

[scracha]

Personaly I can't understand all the bitching , the class hase'nt even gotten off the ground yet , try it , I'm going to . As for cost even if I spend $15000 on a pro twin bike IT'S CHEAP . The other bonus is that some of the pigs that are running around as F3 bikes may be finaly able to be sent where they belong , the wreckers . If you are bitching about the cost you probably don't realy want to go racing anyway as you are far too lazy to get off your ass and do whats required to get the bike you want .

So your saying that unless you're prepared to remortgage your home, get a divorce, forgo all holidays, etc then you've no business racing even in the lower classes. We're talking about F3 and pro-twins club racing FFS, it shouldn't require a life-changing level of commitment. Perhaps that's why there's not a lot of young Kiwi riders coming through the ranks to the world stage. Perhaps that's also why there's so little interest in motorcycle racing in New Zealand. Perhaps that's also why there's a hell of a lot of guys and gals who only do one or two seasons racing.

If the bottom levels of CLUB racing in NZ require over 1/3 of the annual median salary to be remotely competitive then there's something wrong IMHO.

[Tim 39]

Earlier in the year i did a couple of track days at Taupo and the gearbox decided to chew the dogs out on second gear so if anything it has forced me to change the way i ride and change my whole mentality towards riding just to stay with the front guys. Its quite demoralising qualifing on the front row only to get swamped off the start line and arrive at turn 1 mid pack, but on the other hand to make your way through the pack to finish 2nd is very rewarding on its own.

I now have a new gearbox going in this week so the theory is to continue doing what i've been doing except now i'll have full use of the gearbox which means trying for the holeshot into turn 1 and maintaining the lead or at least dicing for the lead either way its gona be fun

It's probably been very good for your riding having it like that because it will push you to go so much faster so you can use third properly, not to mention passing practice from being so far behind off the start

[Tim 39]

So your saying that unless you're prepared to remortgage your home, get a divorce, forgo all holidays, etc then you've no business racing even in the lower classes. We're talking about F3 and pro-twins club racing FFS, it shouldn't require a life-changing level of commitment. Perhaps that's why there's not a lot of young Kiwi riders coming through the ranks to the world stage. Perhaps that's also why there's so little interest in motorcycle racing in New Zealand. Perhaps that's also why there's a hell of a lot of guys and gals who only do one or two seasons racing.

If the bottom levels of CLUB racing in NZ require over 1/3 of the annual median salary to be remotely competitive then there's something wrong IMHO.

the rules only allow the modifications to be done, theyre not compulsory. If you're only in it at club level there's no point spending the big money, but as always you cant expect to beat the national champions etc.
In the case you don;t want to spend much at all then there's bucket racing, streetstock and cheap (most likely buggered) old 400's etc.
The people that I have seen quit racing haven't been the dedicated ones anyway, they've been the people who expect to do no preparation, no learning but still turn up and win. Reality strikes, they don't win so they pack a sad, give up and go back to lapping up the main street because it doesnt require dedication, preparation or skill

[Robert Taylor]

So your saying that unless you're prepared to remortgage your home, get a divorce, forgo all holidays, etc then you've no business racing even in the lower classes. We're talking about F3 and pro-twins club racing FFS, it shouldn't require a life-changing level of commitment. Perhaps that's why there's not a lot of young Kiwi riders coming through the ranks to the world stage. Perhaps that's also why there's so little interest in motorcycle racing in New Zealand. Perhaps that's also why there's a hell of a lot of guys and gals who only do one or two seasons racing.

If the bottom levels of CLUB racing in NZ require over 1/3 of the annual median salary to be remotely competitive then there's something wrong IMHO.

Quite right, so if the ''creeping cancers'' of excessive taxation and those at the very top and the very bottom raping this countries future were removed then we might have a decent living wage, instead of falling further and further behind other developed countries. We want all the trappings of the rest of the world and are either unable or unwilling to pay for them.

Sadly, any Government that rattled this country to its senses would face certain electoral defeat.

[Robert Taylor]

the rules only allow the modifications to be done, theyre not compulsory. If you're only in it at club level there's no point spending the big money, but as always you cant expect to beat the national champions etc.
In the case you don;t want to spend much at all then there's bucket racing, streetstock and cheap (most likely buggered) old 400's etc.
The people that I have seen quit racing haven't been the dedicated ones anyway, they've been the people who expect to do no preparation, no learning but still turn up and win. Reality strikes, they don't win so they pack a sad, give up and go back to lapping up the main street because it doesnt require dedication, preparation or skill

Tim, I agree with your key words, dedication, preperation and skill. This is not a game of cricket on the back lawn.

[Robert Taylor]

So your saying that unless you're prepared to remortgage your home, get a divorce, forgo all holidays, etc then you've no business racing even in the lower classes. We're talking about F3 and pro-twins club racing FFS, it shouldn't require a life-changing level of commitment. Perhaps that's why there's not a lot of young Kiwi riders coming through the ranks to the world stage. Perhaps that's also why there's so little interest in motorcycle racing in New Zealand. Perhaps that's also why there's a hell of a lot of guys and gals who only do one or two seasons racing.

If the bottom levels of CLUB racing in NZ require over 1/3 of the annual median salary to be remotely competitive then there's something wrong IMHO.

Why is it that people never complain about the price of beer as voiciferously as complaining about the cost of motorcycle racing? Am I missing something?

[cowpoos]

Why is it that people never complain about the price of beer as voiciferously as complaining about the cost of motorcycle racing? Am I missing something?

I complain about the cost of beer and lack of TUI in bars in large city's fequently!! apparently it embaresses the people I'm with...I can't see how a round of drinks [5 people] can cost fricken $42....thats 2 X 18 packs of tui for the love of it!!!!!



it makes me sad

and bike racing doesn't need to cost the earth...buy a already built race bike... HP it over a million years...buy used but still good tyres...and fuel!! plus a few fee's...maybe the odd motel room?? add that up and divide to a daily amount it won't sound that bad...maybe?

[cowpoos]

I can't see how a round of drinks [5 people] can cost fricken $42....thats 2 X 18 packs of tui for the love of it!!!!!

and enough change for a couple of pies!!

[scracha]

Why is it that people never complain about the price of beer as voiciferously as complaining about the cost of motorcycle racing? Am I missing something?

If beer causes divorce, missing holidays, throwing sickes at work etc then you're an alcoholic.

If motorcycle racing causes divorce, missing holidays, throwing sickes etc then you're "dedicated"

[Tim 39]

If beer causes divorce, missing holidays, throwing sickes at work etc then you're an alcoholic.

If motorcycle racing causes divorce, missing holidays, throwing sickes etc then you're "dedicated"

exactly right! although alcoholic's are dedicated also, they've devoted their life to being a piss head

[ozrobo]

this twin class what ccs is it 4 just up to 650 or can the trx 850 be to big for this class

[GSVR]

this twin class what ccs is it 4 just up to 650 or can the trx 850 be to big for this class

Yeah too big only allowed up to 650cc. TRX would have trouble keeping up with a Hyosung 650 anyway.

[FROSTY:Me]

Well......actually stacking the cards against yourself is not very clever.
I will help anyone who asks and I think it is best that people are informed why changes are made. What is a good setting for a top rider is not neccessarily correct for someone else....

Im sorry are you saying Tjebbe Bruin and Shaun Harris WEREN'T Qualified to set up my bike?
My bad

[Possum41]

Yeah too big only allowed up to 650cc. TRX would have trouble keeping up with a Hyosung 650 anyway.

Well i never thought i would see the day!!! is this a sign of you finally seeing daylight Gary and realising the champion of this class NOT going to be an SV!!! lol