How sad is this Labour Government

[The Pastor]

A lot of my mates are on the dole. They get enough for pizza and beers and weed, that’s all they want. They should get enough to maybe get one meal a day. Why should they work when they don’t have to? If I was PM I would get rid of the dole. Why should I pay for lazy people to live? It’s a different situation for sick and elderly people of course. I would create job that help the country like picking up rubbish from the streets, or washing dishes. Back breaking work that no one would like therefore making them seek easier jobs and better money. At least I have the balls to say what I feel with out worrying what someone is going to say about it.


Oh yeah I'd take away women’s right to vote. No one wants them to vote, except women - and they don’t count

[MikeT]

Two bloody right. Not too worry though, they are putting up petrol taxes next year to ensure they have a large enough surplus.

Just so you'll end up paying for it while you're not working as well!!

[TwoSeven]

not everyone sponges on the dole. In fact that probably hasnt really been the case for the last 20 years - except for maybe a few that are unemployable.

Couple of things prevent it now - they make you work if you dont actively find a job, and if you refuse, they cut off your income.

In the 90s the dole was used as a transitive income for those moving between jobs or out of education and into employment for the first time. Often it was the only form of income. Since labour has been in power, its now almost impossible to get. If you have been in employment you can end up with up to 6 months stand down. You cant even get it when you finish studying - its called student hardship allowance.

Basically you have to beg for support now. Good old social government aye. They claim they are helping people but I think they do more harm than good.

Theres an old saying, you can give a man a fish and feed him for a day, teach him to fish and he will feed himself. Vote labour and they will take away his boat and fishing kit and force him down a coal mine because he is no longer capable of catching fish.

[The Pastor]

I think you should get more for student allowance than the dole. Infact reverse the payments. The dole people get 180 or so and the students get 400 or so. Why should somone who is commited to getting an education and producing somthing for the country get less than the people who want pizza beer and weed. Its not right and fair. But lifes not fair.

The obvious answer is, The students will spend it on pizza beer and weed.

Maybe they should get more if they pass the exams? eg a 50% pass gets you 50% of the total you could possably get. Then there would be more students passing if they get payed to pass. Or they'd be more cheating either way its good, Uni degrees mean diddly squat anyways.

[TwoSeven]

That doesnt work. I dont know anyone who is a lazy bum, either student or unemployed. As I said, I think that view is just a misconception these days (although i suspect there is always a minority in any group).

Dole and student allowance is the same. $165 and you can apply for accom.

By the time you have subtracted rent, petrol, phone, etc. you get about 20-40 left for food each week. Not much left for luxury things like beer and 'weed'. Most people have huge loans or part time jobs to supliment income.

Taking more money from people just forces them to starve or freeze to death in the winter. Don't think thats what this country is about.

[The Pastor]

The Dole is around 400/week. I'm just saying what I know from as I know a lot of people on the dole.

[jrandom]

The Dole is around 400/week. I'm just saying what I know from as I know a lot of people on the dole.

Please, please, please stop being stupid.

I quoted the current unemployment benefit, for one person, earlier in the thread. Go back and look at it. It's not $400.

I am aware that there are further discretionary payments that WINZ will make to beneficiaries to cover accommodation and extraordinary expenses, etc, but there is no such thing as a $400-per-week benefit for an individual.

www.winz.govt.nz has the straight dope.

[The Pastor]

Yeah, my mate got 400/week when he was kicked out of his home so maybe it was more than one benefit,

The point is not on how much they get. It’s that there are heaps of jobs going. My mate wouldn't even go and ask for jobs all he did was look in the paper.

When I was in high school I went to the mall and handed out 20-30 cv's to any store that would take them, even those women clothes store (although I’m glad I got a better offer. that would of driven me insane, although I suppose you would get to talk to a lot of nice chicks, but there a dime a dozen anyways) and the next day I got a job. In fact I got 3 or 4 offers; I could choose where I wanted to work.

When I was in my last year of High school there was a job offered in the newsletter and I took it. There is no reason why you can not get a job and off the dole. It’s Fact. You can argue that it’s hard to find a job and I’m sure that some people will find it difficult. (Hell I’m and ugly mother who is about as smart as my cat..........)

The guy who founded KFC had a recipe that no one would buy, He had asked over 200 companies to sell his recipe until one very small company said yes, Was it worth the 200 "no" he received? Yeah. Try and tell me why someone should be on the dole. There is no reason. And that reason is treason