So you think fat is ugly..

[Curious_AJ]

You know what scares me?

18-year-old girls talking in the tone of middle-aged women looking back on a hard life.

Where's the innocence? Don't parents protect their kids any longer?

well no, i was never protected, i was FORBIDDEN... there is a difference.. and I was made to grow up by myself, my brothers were always nurtured.. but being the third child and the only girl... well my folks just left me to it.. I had to grow up fast... at least my father has always been good to me.. hes a Nazi-type dictator.. but at least he gave a crap!! my mom on the other hand.. well, she DEFINATELY has my brothers as her favourites no matter how much she denies it...

hence, I sound like a 42 year old... (and look like one too quietly)

[Deviant Esq]

I'm used to people thinking I sound a lot older than I am too AJ, so I know exactly what you mean.

then, he started telling me that I was getting fat, and so I was incredibly confused.... but yeah, all through this the guy was doing other things to undermine my confidence and demean me as a woman... (rather disgraceful) and whats worse i stayed with him for 10 months in fear of feeling guilty for dumping his arse...

It doesn't matter what the relationship is, it's simply not acceptable in any relationship to criticise someone for their weight or body shape. It sort of goes like this: "If you really think I'm that fat or ugly, why the hell are you with me? In fact, since you can't appreciate me for me, I don't think you're allowed to be with me. Fuck off." Obviously it depends on how serious the criticism is... but IMO noone's allowed to criticise anyone they're with like that. If you think I'm too fat for you, go somewhere else. Maybe I really want to lose weight, even for you, but if you're not willing to love me regardless? Then you're not much of a person.

I should point out here, in reply to some earlier messages, that it's not only girls who get this - guys feel insecure about their bodies / weight / musculature as well, and some simple comments even meant in jest can be quite cutting. We all hear girls talking away to their girlfriends / workmates about some sexy guys they met or whatever... when they do it in front of you (couple of girls at my work were on about it today), it makes you feel as though you're totally irrelevant when it comes to that sort of conversation, that you wouldn't ever be the subject of a couple of girls saying "man he was sexy, wouldn't have minded..." etc.

I don't know, maybe that didn't make a great deal of sense, but you get what I mean.

[avgas]

Fat people, you are too fat.
Skinny people, you are to skinny.
Quit your whining and go fix your problem - your lazy

[peasea]

Fat people, you are too fat.
Skinny people, you are to skinny.
Quit your whining and go fix your problem - your lazy

Hmmm, not entirely true but not a bad point either.

I have a 'rounded' missus, it bothers her, not I. I have a very slim daughter, it bothers nobody. My lady is a beacon of affection and tries to lose weight, walks daily, eats like a sparrow and is the best thing that ever happened to me.

My daughter has just turned 17 yet had to wait six months to qualify to give blood at 50kgs. She's now 53kgs. To look at her you would understand that she's slim, yes, but in proportion to herself and very healthy.

My other daughter is slightly heavier, taller and stronger. I love them equally.

People vary, so do opinions.

While the females in the first picture do nothing for me and I can appreciate why some people find them unattractive, there must be some market for them, otherwise they wouldn't do what they do to look like that. There are some 'fat' porn sites for example, all sorts of weird shit to make people 'happy'.

I have a black t-shrt and a pair of jeans, what more fashion do you need?

I'm used to people thinking I sound a lot older than I am too AJ, so I know exactly what you mean.

It doesn't matter what the relationship is, it's simply not acceptable in any relationship to criticise someone for their weight or body shape. It sort of goes like this: "If you really think I'm that fat or ugly, why the hell are you with me? In fact, since you can't appreciate me for me, I don't think you're allowed to be with me. Fuck off." Obviously it depends on how serious the criticism is... but IMO noone's allowed to criticise anyone they're with like that. If you think I'm too fat for you, go somewhere else. Maybe I really want to lose weight, even for you, but if you're not willing to love me regardless? Then you're not much of a person.

I should point out here, in reply to some earlier messages, that it's not only girls who get this - guys feel insecure about their bodies / weight / musculature as well, and some simple comments even meant in jest can be quite cutting. We all hear girls talking away to their girlfriends / workmates about some sexy guys they met or whatever... when they do it in front of you (couple of girls at my work were on about it today), it makes you feel as though you're totally irrelevant when it comes to that sort of conversation, that you wouldn't ever be the subject of a couple of girls saying "man he was sexy, wouldn't have minded..." etc.

I don't know, maybe that didn't make a great deal of sense, but you get what I mean.

A lot of what you say is true, a lot of what you say could (could) have been said by a lover with a small penis. "Love for who I am, not for the size of my dick" etc etc. Try telling that to an insecure sixteen year-old boy with a miniscule dick, bad acne and a stutter.

You get what you get when you get it, like boobs for girls I guess. Some things in life just ain't fair.

I'm used to people thinking I sound a lot older than I am too AJ, so I know exactly what you mean.

It doesn't matter what the relationship is, it's simply not acceptable in any relationship to criticise someone for their weight or body shape. It sort of goes like this: "If you really think I'm that fat or ugly, why the hell are you with me? In fact, since you can't appreciate me for me, I don't think you're allowed to be with me. Fuck off." Obviously it depends on how serious the criticism is... but IMO noone's allowed to criticise anyone they're with like that. If you think I'm too fat for you, go somewhere else. Maybe I really want to lose weight, even for you, but if you're not willing to love me regardless? Then you're not much of a person.

I should point out here, in reply to some earlier messages, that it's not only girls who get this - guys feel insecure about their bodies / weight / musculature as well, and some simple comments even meant in jest can be quite cutting. We all hear girls talking away to their girlfriends / workmates about some sexy guys they met or whatever... when they do it in front of you (couple of girls at my work were on about it today), it makes you feel as though you're totally irrelevant when it comes to that sort of conversation, that you wouldn't ever be the subject of a couple of girls saying "man he was sexy, wouldn't have minded..." etc.

I don't know, maybe that didn't make a great deal of sense, but you get what I mean.

A lot of what you say is true, a lot of what you say could (could) have been said by a lover with a small penis. "Love me for who I am, not for the size of my dick" etc etc. Try telling that to an insecure sixteen year-old boy with a miniscule dick, bad acne and a stutter.

You get what you get when you get it, like big/small boobs for girls I guess. Some things in life just are or aren't fair. It's all about perception.

Love, like music, should be absorbed with your eyes shut.

[Curious_AJ]

why did this turn into a "dicks and love" topic?

bringing it back... I think that the media is horrible in how they portray "beauty"...

and as for the skinny chicks... well obviously most clothes "look better" in the media eye, on skinny people, than they do on normal sized to rounded people... its the sad truth we have to live with in a society where media has run amok!!