New thread : Sliding the rear

[jade]

May I first take a minute to say if you dont have a topic related comment, do not bother commenting, do not waste my time, yours, or peoples reading this thread. I am well aware of the risks involved and im the last person who wants road rash on my aprilia.
Sliding the rear.
By now some of you will have realised I am gradually pushing the limits in different areas of my riding, the one im most keen on is sliding the rear.
I have experimented with this for a couple of months now and - as with the stoppies, very slowly and very gradually, in total I have only got the rear wheel spinning out of a corner 3 timesd- all of which I was purposely trying to - and all of which were in the wet. (straight line spinning doesnt count)
It is a very very dangerous art and only has 2 outcomes, you either pull it off or you dont.
I dont have motocross experience so I dont know how to control a sliding bike, those times I got it spinning - I was trying to and all 3 times it has scared the shit out of me afterwards, but what a rush...
I think my bike has the power to do it in the dry but I need way more practice and im in no rush, its amazing how hard you do need to try tho
Is anybody here good at it ?
any tips ?
I guess the only one I know is to keep the gas on to avoid a highside..
straightline spinning does not count, im talking about powering out of a corner

[Two Smoker]

Dont bother on the road, conditions are far to varied. Go to the track and practice there...

[ZeroIndex]

One of my friends used to slide the rear of his TZR250 almost everyday on the same corners (in the dry and occasionally the wet)... (he's sold the bike since though)...

What he used to do, is you'd do the whole normal leaning for the corner, as well as leaning the bike, and then at the exact time that you are wanting to slide the rear (you've got round the tight section of the corner, and it's almost all straight-play), you mostly stand the bike up while still hanging off it, and then hammer the throttle (as it's coming into powerband), that should set the back spinning, just remember to stay on the throttle, and adjust the direction by the amount that you're hanging off the bike - jumping off the throttle will probably result in a highside cause the wheel suddenly isn't going as fast as it was wanting to...

Good luck out there dude...

[HDTboy]

I'd suggest learning how to go sideways in a powerful rear drive car, or dirt bike to get a feel for it first.
It's easier to go sideways into a corner than out.
The more linear your power curve is, the more predictable the slide will be.

[boomer]

ask jay lawrence.. his shits unreal.. and i believe 'Jimmy White trash go fast' can do it a bit too.

logan/enigma likes sliding it but hes just a muppet

[HDTboy]

Oh, and like TS said, do it on the track, don't be a knob on the road

[Virago]

You, young sir, make my blood boil.

You may be "well aware of the risks involved", but you are seemingly blind to the rights of those who share the road with you.

You may perhaps impress teenage girls with your stoppies at intersections, and other "skills", but I'm sure that it will always be someone else's fault when it all goes terribly wrong.

I'm sure that the poor driver you took out at a roundabout yesterday will gain some consolation from getting the chance to meet such a skilled motorcyclist...

We can only hope that you grow up before you manage to hurt someone else.

In the meantime, please don't breed.

[Ocean1]

You, young sir, make my blood boil.

You may be "well aware of the risks involved", but you are seemingly blind to the rights of those who share the road with you.

You may perhaps impress teenage girls with your stoppies at intersections, and other "skills", but I'm sure that it will always be someone else's fault when it all goes terribly wrong.

I'm sure that the poor driver you took out at a roundabout yesterday will gain some consolation from getting the chance to meet such a skilled motorcyclist...

We can only hope that you grow up before you manage to hurt someone else.

In the meantime, please don't breed.

+1

I dont have motocross experience so I dont know how to control a sliding bike

You’re right, it’s definitely a dirt bike technique, and one that’s absolutely necessary if you’re involved in any sort of competitive environment. But for a road bike the only possible reason to know how is to better avoid doing it. It's a great idea to learn how to handle a bike at the limits of traction, I think every rider should spend some time on a paddock doing exactly that. I believe every F1 world champion since Giacomo Agostini (with the exception Of Rossi) was first a champion dirt bike rider. Knowing exactly where the limits are pays major dividends when it comes to pure speed. The difference between dirt and street is that the margin of error is much greater with full knobbies in the dirt than any street setup, and the price of fucking it up is less. As our learned colleague points out the street ain’t no place for pure speed, if you want to play with limits take it off the road dude.

[HDTboy]

Sliding both tyres is definitely a big part of riding a Road Race bike fast. Sliding the fairings is undesirable

[terbang]

Get out thee in the dirt on an apppropriate bike and learn it there. In other words learn to crawl before you run, as sliding on the dry seal has lots of fish hooks. Keep it off the highway as it doesn't affect me as much if you slide into a post and take yourself out versus taking my daughters out learning to slide on the road. But its a good skil to have especially when it goes pear shaped and can be fun too. Just be smart about it eh..!

[PRYDEE]

I havent tried on the road but would definately try in a dewy paddock or gravel road on a dirt bike.This is a good way to learn what the bike is doing in the slide etc and how to correct.
Once you take those skills to tarseal you have to then consider the tyres you are using,the road compound , weather conditions etc.
Good luck-sounds like fun.

[Crisis management]

As others have said, try a track day or dirt bike first.....but, I think it's worth knowing where your traction limits are and what happens when you get there, so you're right to learn these skills.
I am definately not a fast rider but will regularly have the back end of the bike loose on the road, not intentionally, but when you get to the edge of traction, so it's important to know when to modulate the throttle.
You'll learn this not by giving the bike handfulls out of corners, as thats a recipe for disaster, but by cornering faster......trackdays are the best for that.

However, take the bike onto some gravel roads out the back of Puhoi (not far to go) and ride it there. Thats going to teach you all about sliding and throttle / brake control at about 50km/hr. Take your time and you will learn how far it slides and what it feels like and if you fall off it's only a few scrapes and bruises rather than anything more serious.
The important bit is not to go fast but to get used to sliding.

After you've done this go and play on the track but not on the bloody street!

[vifferman]

Just spray the rear tyre with silicon, or degreaser, and you'll be right.

Or not...

[cowboyz]

It is impossible to learn where the edge of your traction is without going over the limit. In other words, if you are going to learn how to powerslide out of a corner on your bike, be it on the road,track or empty carlot you will drop it.

So be sure that you have the following...

1. Enough sense not to bitch about how you broke your bike.
2. Enough money to repair damages
3. Alternative tansport.

For me, powersliding out of corners shows one of 2 things.
Either your bike has a shitload of power on tap or your tyres are shit.

[ZeroIndex]

It is impossible to learn where the edge of your traction is without going over the limit. In other words, if you are going to learn how to powerslide out of a corner on your bike, be it on the road,track or empty carlot you will drop it.

So be sure that you have the following...

1. Enough sense not to bitch about how you broke your bike.
2. Enough money to repair damages
3. Alternative tansport.

For me, powersliding out of corners shows one of 2 things.
Either your bike has a shitload of power on tap or your tyres are shit.

I've gotta agree with the "Having alternative transport"... I think once I fix my bike, I'm gonna find another bike for stunting... maybe a little single something-or-another...

If you can find a crash/stunt cage, that would be a good investment if you're learning stoppies and sliding the tail out... a lot more protective than frame sliders...