Death penalty not justified????

[Paul in NZ]

I'm sorry - I know I'm an awful person and I must not 'judge' people via the media but if this story is even half true..... Take a number and join the queue of volunteers to pull the plug on these pieces of excrement...

http://www.tv3.co.nz/VideoBrowseAll/...ult.aspx#video

[Grahameeboy]

What does the DP achieve?

[canarlee]

dont get me started on this one! i get extremely pissed off when i see this sort of thing, so its best i ignore this thread!

[cowboyz]

laws aside, what kind of person doesnt speak out when they know this sort of abuse is happening? 3 weeks is a REALLY long time.

Bring back the days where common sense and protect the innocent and watching out for others. Such a selfish society we live in now days.

Bring in the laws and there will be some stupid outcome. They get convicted and they will get a $1.98 fine and a slap of the wrist, oops, no slap on the wrist because that might hurt their feelings. Most likely some story will come out about how they didnt know what they were doing was wrong and it was just part of their culture. That should shut down any prosocution.

[Skyryder]

There are times when I question my own objection to the death penalty and this is one of those times. Unfortunately it's one of those issues that one is either for or against. It's not something that, well yes, maybe or in certain circumstances etc. One is for or against. I'm against. Allways will be.


Skyryder

[riffer]

it was just part of their culture...

Yeah, and raping small children is part of white middle class Christian culture.

Please don't play the race card. It's not helpful here. Torture of children in any form is not justifiable in any culture.

[Paul in NZ]

What does the DP achieve?

Certainly - it ensures these beings never get another crack at a little kid... More importantly it draws a line in the sand that says NO MORE!

[Paul in NZ]

laws aside, what kind of person doesnt speak out when they know this sort of abuse is happening? 3 weeks is a REALLY long time..

What kind of society stands by and tut tuts without stamping this out! We are prepared to go to war to defend our land and our way of life, we will give our soliders VC's for being heros - I think I'd like to give these pricks AC....

[Grahameeboy]

Certainly - it ensures these beings never get another crack at a little kid... More importantly it draws a line in the sand that says NO MORE!

I think they should be removed from Society but not by death...........too often as a human race we seem more concerned with retribution and forget about the victim.

[cowboyz]

Yeah, and raping small children is part of white middle clash Christian culture.

Please don't play the race card. It's not helpful here. Torture of children in any form is not justifiable in any culture.

Race card? Just reality check.

I am a middle aged white guy married to a maori woman. One of my kids is obviously maori, the other is whiter than a white thing. Both are learning Maori as a language and a culture. I have a good relationship with my in laws who are all fluent in Maori and use every oppurtunity to promote their culture. I say this for a background check.

BUT it is more and more common for dirtbags to to dispicible (sp?) things and fall back on the "you dont understand our culture" card. When, as you so rightly point out, it is nothing to do with culture in the first place.

But then as a PC bullshit society we live these days the law lets any excuse pass as a good one.

FWIW I highly disapprove of catholic priests too.

[SlashWylde]

What does the DP achieve?

It removes worthless rubbish from our society. The perpetrators of such a crime have no business spending another moment alive.

Unfortunately the justice system is prone to errors so the DP is unworkable in a practical sense.

Permanent incarceration where the inmates work to keep themselves clothed and fed is the next best thing, so that they have a zero dollar impact on the taxpayer.

This country needs to get real about the filth who inhabit these shores. There can be no rehabilitation for many criminals. The only solution is permanent incarceration till natural death.

Fuck 'em all.

[Hitcher]

Just another reason why I think that Rotorua should have a small thermo-nuclear device dropped on it.

[riffer]

Race card? Just reality check.

I am a middle aged white guy married to a maori woman. One of my kids is obviously maori, the other is whiter than a white thing. Both are learning Maori as a language and a culture. I have a good relationship with my in laws who are all fluent in Maori and use every oppurtunity to promote their culture. I say this for a background check.

Me too. White 40-year old, wife is Tainui. My father in law is a kaumatua at Orongomai.

I agree with you. Using culture as an excuse just doesn't wash. You dishonour your Tipuna just thinking about it.

We need to stop thinking of this as a cultural or locational problem, or even a socio-economic problem. It isn't.

Oh, by the way - any comment from Sue Bradford on this issue yet?

[Winston001]

Whoa.....what an awful situation. I'm torn. If there is one thing which gets me angry it is violence against children. I abhor it and the filthy beasts who do it.

Nevertheless I cannot support the death penalty. The signature of a just and humane society is how it treats all of its members - even the animals who commit this type of crime. Very few Western countries carry out the death penalty today - the USA is the glaring exception.

I've just read Albert Pierrepoint's autobiography (now a movie). He was one of Englands most significant executioners in the 20th century.

His conclusion was that he didn't support the death penalty, having hanged over 400 people. None of the prisoners in his view even paused in their crimes because execution was a possible penalty. It had no effect at all.

What is more, he executed at least one innocent man - he executed the real murderer a year later. So the death penalty is just too final given that miscarriages of justice can occur.

[Brian d marge]

Race card? Just reality check.

I am a middle aged white guy married to a maori woman. One of my kids is obviously maori, the other is whiter than a white thing. Both are learning Maori as a language and a culture. I have a good relationship with my in laws who are all fluent in Maori and use every oppurtunity to promote their culture. I say this for a background check.

BUT it is more and more common for dirtbags to to dispicible (sp?) things and fall back on the "you dont understand our culture" card. When, as you so rightly point out, it is nothing to do with culture in the first place.

But then as a PC bullshit society we live these days the law lets any excuse pass as a good one.

FWIW I highly disapprove of catholic priests too.

When I read that I wanted to play the race card ,,, it does seem that a certain element seems to appear in the News for similar things

but then I see the fella given the VC ,and says it wasnt anything ,,I dont want to cause a fuss

So I thinks abit more and its still a race issue ( maybe ) but from a different angle , the people who caused the wide socio economic gap by following Economic Ideas... do indeed tend to be of a certain color ,

They followed the Ideal ( New right/left imf policys ) which are STILL being used ,,, that left a wake of people in ruin , NZ is noted for this ,,, Large underclass

well done the never had it so good generation ,,by doing nothing , ya sold us up the garden path ,

Why does Oliver twist ring a bell here , the part about the philosopher's seeing the poor child ,,,( reference to the gold standard )

But at the End of the day who could do that to a child ...ANY child ... what possible justification could these savages use to get it straight in their head ????

Gated communities ,,hell yes , i DONT WANT THESE DROP KICKS WITH IN 200 MILES OF MY SON. ( accidentally hit caps lock , but ill leave it ,I feel strongly about it .)...apathetic people......... you can add those in there as well they are just as dangerous


Punishment , hell yes , I need broadband , Auckland needs underground electricity ...

The dangerous ones make the shovels , inside , the rest dig the holes ,,, a tent and three square a day.

( but with a clear path if you do want to redeem yourself ... and a proper mental health system like we had ...)


Stephen