Death penalty not justified????

[imdying]

• NZ has an anger problem that needs to be dealt with. I'm happy to talk at that level rather about some arsewipe putting his daughter in the dryer.

Dealt with by vigilante justice taking over from where the justice system will have no affect. There is no chance of rehab here, there is no reason at all why the court/police workers should have to go through hearing each horrible detail about this. They should be taken to Aotea Square, covered in petrol set on fire, and then let God sort it out.

[Colapop]

We have a problem in this country that we (as a whole) are not taking responsibility for and dealing with. There are far too many child abuse and women abuse cases. Why is this happening? We need to sit up and take notice, get off our arses (collectively) and do something about it. We need government that has a definite opinion and acts on it. Too much do we sit back and allow our politicians to try and placate or please us. They are only the representative end of society but they are the people we elected to do the job. Tougher sentences won't do it. Tougher prisons won't do it. Handouts will not help. We need to create value. Value of our children, value of women, value of the people around us.

[imdying]

Honest to God beat your wife for no reason other than you're 'mad'... then you get to choose, left or right. Do it again... good luck wiping your bum.

[Winston001]

I cannot accept our society will allow young men to brutalise children with NO means of defense......

Totally agree. The problem is a section of our society DO think it is acceptable, and treat their families accordingly. Their relations, friends and neighbours don't necessarily like it, but don't intervene or speak up. Why? Because "it is none of my business".

We have this weird perspective that when violence happens inside a family, we mustn't intervene. That attitude has to change. When all of society deems such brutal behaviour against children is wrong - no excuses - and each of us acts to do what we can, then the situation will improve.

NZ has one of the highest rates of child abuse in the Western world and there is simply no acceptable reason for this. But the death penalty, harsher prison sentences etc won't change that. The only way is for people themselves to realise that hurting children is wrong. Why the hell they don't know that intuitively I don't understand, but that change has to happen within our society.

[imdying]

Totally agree. The problem is a section of our society DO think it is acceptable, and treat their families accordingly. Their relations, friends and neighbours don't necessarily like it, but don't intervene or speak up. Why? Because "it is none of my business".

Then we should 'cleanse' them, whether that be by socio economic, ethnicity, or merely round up those with priors. Nazi Germany had some exceptional techniques. I for one would be proud to build a shower block knowing it was going to be used to gas pricks like that.

[Albino]

I couldn't agree more cp. And it's not just the child and wife abuse (though that's possibly the cauldron) it's spreading it's roots through our society. Road rage, assualts on the streets, gangs, abusing BP attendants etc.

[Street Gerbil]

No, definitely no execution. I think the police should let those people go.


Somehow (smirk) I don't think they will get very far. But since we are waaaaaay too civilized a society for mob justice, DP will do as the second best option. By torture if possible.

[ManDownUnder]

We have a problem in this country that we (as a whole) are not taking responsibility for and dealing with. There are far too many child abuse and women abuse cases. Why is this happening? We need to sit up and take notice, get off our arses (collectively) and do something about it.

YES! WTF were the neighbours thinking when they saw the kid crying on the roof? "Should I call the police or ... I think I'll have a beer!

Fuck 'em. Get the neighbours and make them accessories. They could have helped, should have helped, didn't help and should pay the price.

Totally agree. The problem is a section of our society DO think it is acceptable, and treat their families accordingly. Their relations, friends and neighbours don't necessarily like it, but don't intervene or speak up. Why? Because "it is none of my business".

Peer pressure... we need the 99% of society to stand up and say "enough!". These scumbags deserve a putting in the stocks and a righteous, steel capped kick in the nuts from anyone and everyone walking past.

I'm not (and doubt I ever will be) a proponent of the death penalty, but don't confused that for letting people go unpunished. I'm capable of some fairly creative punishment. I like the old fashioned kind personally.

Did I mention stocks already?

Then we should 'cleanse' them, whether that be by socio economic, ethnicity, or merely round up those with priors. Nazi Germany had some exceptional techniques. I for one would be proud to build a shower block knowing it was going to be used to gas pricks like that.

Yeah - nuh. Don't lower yourself to their level.

[Grahameeboy]

No social consciousness does not commit the crime but it does affect the manner in which people behave. To be ostracised by your peers is a huge motivator. No it's not the best solution but there is never going to be one.

Why? Because the problem will magically disappear if we all ignore it?

You think?

http://http://progressive.org/archiv...t/deathpenalty

Do you think crimes like this are new to this century or even the last one......

[imdying]

Yeah - nuh. Don't lower yourself to their level.

Who? People that beat up on toddlers, or the Nazis?

[insane1]

fark sake give me a gun and i"ll shoot the pricks the most painful way i can come up with.

[ManDownUnder]

Who? People that beat up on toddlers, or the Nazis?

Exactly my point - they're pretty much on par in my eyes.

[Ocean1]

Men are naturally aggressive, no prizes for working out why, it's an evolutionary survival trait. One definition of "Civilisation" is a measure of a culture's ability to manage an individual's resources to benefit society. A culture that does that well recognises that male aggression needs focus and discipline, pretty much from birth.

It's a simple fact that whereas men fight to gain social advantage women negotiate. In a society as thoroughly feminised as ours boys are raised as girls. Male competitive traits are condemned rather than recognised, accepted and channelled into socially constructive adult behaviour. This failure will always result in the production of a high percentage of (particularly adolescent) males with a heavily distorted concept of their roll in society. Instead of protecting the tribe from threats they use unfocussed aggression as a competitive tool against everyone. The fact that they receive no effective feedback (what your father/teachers/sergeant called discipline) to correct that behaviour simply further confuses their idea of what their roll is and makes them more aggressive.

True, it’s not their fault, it’s ours. But there’s no cure, you don’t get a second chance to do it right, once such a mistake is made I’ve very rarely seen the result “fixed”. In cases as extreme as the one in question the mistake can only be isolated lest it do further harm. How we do it is irrelevant, a matter of personal choice, but it must be done.

Personally, for younger mistakes where there is hope of some eventual value I like the Foreign Legion model. “Here’s your options dude: This door leads to peace. And this door leads to 10-20 years of a very special military service…” As a matter of interest historically the French Foreign Legion's "retirement rate" was about 20%. That’s a worthwhile “recovery rate”. The discipline was harsh and arbitrary, but the rules are interesting. May be apocryphal but there was apparently no rule against drinking, just against being found drunk on duty.

To minimise the production of further mistakes? Discipline your boys (please), it’s not fashionable but it usually works.

[Albino]

To minimise the production of further mistakes? Discipline your boys (please), it’s not fashionable but it usually works.

Bravo. Pity the government is telling us that smacking is bad.

[devnull]

Now here's a country that has the right idea when dealing with scumbags...

http://www.ziplaw.com/news/archives/001926.htm

He thinks his punishment is inhumane? After raping a 6 year old?
Good on the judge for handing that sentence down - NZ could benefit from similar penalties