Death penalty not justified????

**Hitcher** · 29th July 2007, 12:59

This child's 33-year-old "mother" has a 17-year-old partner with whom she has been allegedly "living" for the past two years. One wonders whether this same chap is actually the father of the child in question, aged three-and-a-half.

Do the maths, and tell me whether that sounds like a traditional "nuclear" family to you.

**Ocean1** · 29th July 2007, 13:27

Originally Posted by Hitcher

This child's 33-year-old "mother" has a 17-year-old partner with whom she has been allegedly "living" for the past two years. One wonders whether this same chap is actually the father of the child in question, aged three-and-a-half.

Do the maths, and tell me whether that sounds like a traditional "nuclear" family to you.

She was one of 17 children, she has six.

In theory it’s self correcting, tendencies to anti-social behaviour are not genetically viable in the long term.

Darwin's musings seem relevant only in a real world however, and ours (for now), isn’t.

I’m worried, they’re out-breeding us. How do we engineer the application of a real-world evolutionary correction in a place so far removed from real?

**bell** · 29th July 2007, 13:40

I've been thinking...do hitmen give discounts for multiple, er, 'hits'? It was a big week for bills last week, that's all. I could make a contribution next week though.

**Brian d marge** · 29th July 2007, 14:03

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

I'd be in for some positive action.... This case just gets worse and worse....

this amazed me ... could this be a polly talking??????

Mr Sharples said the alleged behaviour in this case was "absolutely intolerable".
However, he said problems of child abuse stemmed from a dysfunctional culture which happened among poverty-stricken and underachieving communities, a group in which Maori were too highly represented.
"It's ridiculous to blame this problem on ethnicity and it's equally ridiculous to think Maori aren't doing things about it. To say that it is related to genes or a culture, an ethnic group, is absolutely wrong.
"I don't say that Pakeha have a gene for big business fraud or anything like that. . . I'm not making excuses.
"I'm just saying that there is a subculture of dysfunction and we've got to look at that whole area of people who have stopped dreaming and are just coping."

Now it remains to see if he/she /it actually does something

one thing I will be doing ,,is not holding my breath

Stephen

**candor** · 29th July 2007, 14:40

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

I'd be in for some positive action.... This case just gets worse and worse....

I'd march for Nia. With the message that the current maximum for child torture (? what is it) simply isn't going to cut it.

This is getting worse as more details emerge if that is even possible. Its stomach turning. I guess the one positive is that her brain damage will prevent gher ever remembering.

Why the hell they let the mother bath her I don;t know - it's a bit like letting the rapist be the victims massuese.

**Paul in NZ** · 29th July 2007, 18:12

Proof that whole families are not all bad - ballsy statement...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4145172a10.html

Stuffed if I know what to do about this???

**jimbo600** · 29th July 2007, 19:14

Nia Glassie, who suffered severe brain damage after months of abuse - including allegedly being spun in a tumble dryer, is the latest in a sad commentary on the state of Maori dysfunction in NZ.

Now the apologist Peter Sharples has stated that its all our fault that this has happened. Well fuck off Dr Sharples. This is a Maori problem, and until they accept ownership of this issue things are never going to change.

I see sue Bradfords anti smacking bill is working a treat

**Deano** · 29th July 2007, 19:16

I would have jumped the fence if I saw the neighbour doing that shit to their kid.

What's wrong with people these days.

How can people torture a little girl.

Don't give me the hard done by BS.....I wouldn't treat my dog that way.

**NotaGoth** · 29th July 2007, 19:19

Well if we can't smack our kids why not stick them in a clothes dryer instead??????????

Peter Sharples made my blood boil.. The guy needs to get a grip on reality, instead of pointing the finger and playing the blame game... I don't even know why they bothered putting the footage of him on the news..

**canarlee** · 29th July 2007, 19:21

Originally Posted by Deano

Don't give me the hard done by BS.....I wouldn't treat my dog that way.

i saw a bloke kicking a dog so i went and kicked him, if i found out someone was doing this to a child i would give them the same but tenfold!

GRRRR this one is going to make me angry, not gunna look at this thread again!

**Paul in NZ** · 29th July 2007, 19:39

Originally Posted by jimbo600

Now the apologist Peter Sharples has stated that its all our fault that this has happened. Well fuck off Dr Sharples. This is a Maori problem, and until they accept ownership of this issue things are never going to change.

I know what you are saying....

There are Maori doing well and are genuinely good folks by any standards but by god there is a gap.... As this story unravels it just reads like a bloody nightmare... Stuffed if I know what to do...

**Hitcher** · 29th July 2007, 19:42

Originally Posted by jimbo600

Nia Glassie, who suffered severe brain damage after months of abuse - including allegedly being spun in a tumble dryer, is the latest in a sad commentary on the state of Maori dysfunction in NZ.

Maori, unfortunately, don't hold the patent on this sort of behaviour. If anything, this extremely unfortunate event is a sad indictment on how the rest of us are capable of turning a blind eye to the not-so-well-off in our communities, until it reaches a stage where we can ignore it no longer.

Nia appears to be the third generation of dysfunction. Baying for blood will not address or remedy the tragic circumstances that led to her torture. But there are many more Nias amongst us and we all have a responsibility to ensure that they are protected.

**candor** · 29th July 2007, 20:05

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Maori, unfortunately, don't hold the patent on this sort of behaviour.......

But there are many more Nias amongst us and we all have a responsibility to ensure that they are protected.

Au contraire - I don't think theres any denying Nia is the latest in a series of Maori casualties - can't think of one Polynesian, Asian or Pakeha case at all.

This all dates back to the treaty activists demanding we whiteys stop removing "THEIR" kids from harms way mid eightys (no such killer / torture cases before in the days of "group homes", just sex abuse to some state wards as the price for greater overall child safety).

So instead we do all the touchy feely stuff, avoid passing judgment and if "we" (the authorities) dare intervene in the Maorui world we just see that the child is placed with the wider dysfunctional family - brilliant.

And the result is Pita Sharples saying "not our fault, not even a Maori issue - you guys need to try harder and be more caring and sharing" on tv three news tonight. Not insightful leadership - I preferred Kelly Te Heuheu who got to the point and owned the issue as a Maori one.

My friends neice at nine was murdered by her schizo lessie druggy violent jailbird mum who she was placed with after other family said "don't do it". I've met the Mum and CYFPS was clearly nuts if they had too.

Three weeks later the beautiful nine year old MAORI kid was murdered by Mum after much abuse just like this case. All details kept out ogf media and sixty minutes misreported the whole thing (being another Govt influenced program).

As for Hitcher saying "we all have a responsibility to ensure that they are protected". Then that will take some radical changes not softly softly feminised ones like long term culture change thru symbolic anti smacking bills.

Sad irony - Fear of offending Maori stifles debate and prevents solutions. Thats how caring we are - kids are dying from the Treaty misapplication and PC mania imho.

**Ocean1** · 29th July 2007, 20:42

Originally Posted by XxKiTtiExX

I don't even know why they bothered putting the footage of him on the news..

Because this:

Originally Posted by XxKiTtiExX

Peter Sharples made my blood boil..

Makes for ratings/sales.

You don't need to be responsible (or even socially benign) to make the news.
Just moderately articulate... and controversial.