Second Rotorua child hospitalised

[Albino]

The news this morning said that as part of a new initiative all women seen at hospital will be questioned about family violence at home, even if they are in for an ingrown toe nail.

I'm glad to see child abuse is purely a male problem, it might make it easier to deal with. (sarcasm)

It's ok to say it's only males and they will be targetted, but it is not ok to say it's predominantly maori and they will be targetted? As some one else said step one to fixing this is to drop the PC rubbish.

[peasea]

The news this morning said that as part of a new initiative all women seen at hospital will be questioned about family violence at home, even if they are in for an ingrown toe nail.

I'm glad to see child abuse is purely a male problem, it might make it easier to deal with. (sarcasm)

It's ok to say it's only males and they will be targetted, but it is not ok to say it's predominantly maori and they will be targetted? As some one else said step one to fixing this is to drop the PC rubbish.

Drop 'political correctness'? Good luck with that but you're quite right. I heard that and thought 'why is it just the women?' Why not question every male as well? I could name some that have suffered abuse at the hands of females....

[pritch]

Don't try and convince ME that a lack of money makes people beat their kids. Jeez. I'm annoyed now, coz that's bullshit.

The example given during the weekend that the Polynesian people tend to occupy a similar part of the socio/economic spectrum but they don't abuse their kids the same way.

[Grahameeboy]

Your stats are meaningless. Its high time we stop comparing ourselves to global statistics, to see what the accepted norm is, and tell ourselves that any abuse is wrong, and none should happen.

It fucks me off big time when people lean back on stats, and say "we're not doing any worse than country XYZ". Screw country XYZ, this is NZ, and we need to stop beating the shit out of our children.

The DPB needs to be scrapped, and re-introduced with tough as hell criteria, because these women are getting pregnant, as part of an "easy life" plan for them and their drop kick boyfriends. The amount of money earned from the DPB, coupled with a dole pay out for drop kick boyfriend, is actually quite large. The governments guilt in all this is they are paying for these situations to occur, and fostering the households of lazy assholes, who commit these sorts of crimes.

Memo to Sue Bradford.
Thank God for your anti smacking bill, it really saved these two babies....oh wait....

I was not saying that, just showing it was a world wide problem because the impression was that it was deemed a NZ only problem and aimed at Maori etc.

I still think the anti-smacking law should be given a chance..it ain't gonna stop all abuse but may hopefully nip some things early and save some kids.............we do not and never will live in a Utopia society........at least the Bill is 'trying'.....

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Shoot the bastards!!! putting a child in the dryer??!! WTF!!!
It makes me sick to my stomach!!

Fucking lucky the poor little blighter didn't have creases, or they'd surely have used their DTR funded (48mths interest free) Philips Steam Iron...

[peasea]

The example given during the weekend that the Polynesian people tend to occupy a similar part of the socio/economic spectrum but they don't abuse their kids the same way.

There you go, thanks for that!

I worked with some Pacific Islanders in Wellington years ago and they were cruisy-as. Mostly church-goers who always seemed to be smiling and well dressed, along with their family members, but they were certainly no better off than anyone else in that place.

[MissFinn]

This is from a similar case a little while back. Similar MO... (Maori Offender).

Not for the faint hearted.

[scumdog]

I was not saying that, just showing it was a world wide problem because the impression was that it was deemed a NZ only problem and aimed at Maori etc.

I still think the anti-smacking law should be given a chance..it ain't gonna stop all abuse but may hopefully nip some things early and save some kids.............we do not and never will live in a Utopia society........at least the Bill is 'trying'.....

Anti smacking ain't ever going to be anti-killing so I don't see it working.

Anti-smacking is for Pollyannas, the hard core real child abusers and killer don't even know it exists.

[scumdog]

This is from a similar case a little while back. Similar MO... (Maori Offender).

Not for the faint hearted.

Man, is that a whole lot of love or what!!!

[Brian d marge]

who the living hell could do that to anything , let alone a child ,,,

gutted

As much as I didnt want/like to see those pics , thanks for posting them ,, its a reality check

and I am sorry for those in the future who may actually be good people but are subjected to my no influenced decisions

goes off to his three yr old .... ( actually i might torture him for 5 min ,,,by eating te last cola pop in front of him ahhhahahahahaa ]]]

Stephen

[Krusti]

Problem is that violence as a means of conflict resolution or punishment is learnt behavour which tends to carry on down through generations.

In a past life I went to a house where the hubby was beating the shit out of his wife with the claw of a hammer. Both teenage sons watching tv in lounge. Broke open door, asked kids what had happened. They refused to say.

A guy was also found at the same address at a later date after being beaten so badly that he was found in the feotal position behind the couch.

The point of the story is that while watching crime watch years later what do I see but one of the sons wanted for agg assault!

Not maori either.

[yungatart]

It is not a Maori problem (although they seem to be over represented in the statistics), it is a New Zealand problem. White NZers abuse their kids too. Almost every kid who is abused and survives is a cost to the taxpayer in some way (extra help at school, emotional problems, teenage pregnancy, drug or alcohol abuse... the list goes on).
What can be done about it? Who knows!
Most of the abusers come from dysfunctional families and have little or no parenting skills, little or no budgeting skills, little or no life skills.
Perhaps we could teach these things at primary school, before these kids drop out of the school system.
Perhaps we could fund compulsory courses on the local marae...parents using these courses could have a fee deducted from their benefit at source to pay for it all.
I don't know what the answer is but our kids deserve better than they are getting!

[Krusti]

I was bought up with 4 sisters and I remember my parents drilled into me not to hit girls! God they got away with murder. Tell ya what it stuck with me!

Drilled it in to my son as well.

Amazing how much what you are taught as a kid sticks with you....good and bad

[peasea]

Man, is that a whole lot of love or what!!!

Sue Bradford....where was your bill that day?

[ManDownUnder]

It is not a Maori problem (although they seem to be over represented in the statistics), it is a New Zealand problem.

YES YES YES F'n YES! Exactly. Everyones so damned keen to identify the demographic and hand it over (i.e. "It can't be bmy problem... now how do I prove it?").

It IS our problem. It IS a national disgrace, and I for one am ashamed this crap is so prevalent in my country.

What can be done about it? Who knows!
Most of the abusers come from dysfunctional families and have little or no parenting skills, little or no budgeting skills, little or no life skills.
Perhaps we could teach these things at primary school, before these kids drop out of the school system.
Perhaps we could fund compulsory courses on the local marae...parents using these courses could have a fee deducted from their benefit at source to pay for it all.
I don't know what the answer is but our kids deserve better than they are getting!

To be blunt I think we need to look back 50 years. Society as a whole took responsibility for the kids. Sure they were part of a family who have a primary care responsibility, but if the kid stepped out of line they got a called to account by the neighbour, a cop or a handy stranger on the street.

In my amateur interpretation - this had a twofold effect. Tommy was raised understanding disclipline, responsibility, boundaries etc. So when Tommy grew up and had kids of his own he didn't beat them senseless when they were hungry just at beer o'clock.

Likewise the neighbours would have been looking out of the people living next door. If something was wrong they were more involved in their lives... could spot something and could take reasonable action... helping the parents as needed, protecting kids as needed etc. All the while not fearing the law or some well intended, understaffed, Govt agency coming down on them like a ton of bricks.

/rant - sorry... this is a sore point for me. Bloody annoying.

Anyone see Pita Sharples talking about this on Campbell live the other night. I agree with what he said - It's a NZ problem...