"Gorgeous" George Galloway

[Waylander]

Mwahahahah!

Very ferkin funny.. "a little less violence" mwahahha!

RE: you sig, 6 more posts to go.

[SARGE]

we have a term for this back home...


armchair quarterback




"woulda, shoulda, coulda done this ...."

[Waylander]

we have a term for this back home...


armchair quarterback




"woulda, shoulda, coulda done this ...."

Thought the term was "monday morning quarterback"?

[SARGE]

Thought the term was "monday morning quarterback"?

thats AFTER the game... too many people are screamin at the TV during the plays like the coach can hear them



bottom line ..


its damn easy to sit in your comfy chair on your quarter acre paradise in front of the nice safe computer screen and make judgment calls about something that none of us are qualified to make..

George Bush, Don Rumsfeld, Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein.. say what you will.. NONE of them got to the positions they are ( were) in by being idiots.. George Sr was a crafty fucker.. i think Little George is mind fucking every one of us by playing the bimbo..i dont for a moment think he does not know EXACTLY what is going on every second of every day ...his advisers are pretty much the same hand-picked people George Sr had in HIS cabinet and i doubt they have been doing this job for 20+ years and are not DAMN good at it ..

geo-politics is a funny thing folks

[xwhatsit]

They've got signs up all around uni promoting his talks. Looks interesting -- he's apparently talking about how to avoid and counter the racism and anti-religious sentiments that have popped up since all of this started. Seems a reasonable thing to speak about; you hear a lot of people spouting off about `rag-heads' and equating Islam to Satan-worship.

I don't doubt he talks a lot of crap, too. Both sides of the argument are full to their eyeballs with propaganda and other horseshit.

It's sad, though, when (like what happened in Brisbane a few years back) a mosque gets fire-bombed and innocent Muslims get hassled and not served in shops and the like. If that's what he's here to talk about then more power to him. I suspect he won't stick strictly to that, however.

[SARGE]

It's sad, though, when (like what happened in Brisbane a few years back) a mosque gets fire-bombed and innocent Muslims get hassled and not served in shops and the like..

the Lebos in Oz paid for that themselves .. head to Sydney and take a look at the behavior that goes on there amongst the Lebo youth

[xwhatsit]

the Lebos in Oz paid for that themselves .. head to Sydney and take a look at the behavior that goes on there amongst the Lebo youth

Dude I'm not going to even try convincing you, as because of your history you're always going to be biased. Not a slur, it's just inevitable that you will have such a viewpoint.

But I can't help saying this, though. Why should Mr Muhammed, a Malaysian Muslim father of two in Brisbane, have to see his house of worship get fire-bombed and his wife denied service in a shop and spat on because some Lebanese teenagers/early-20s good-for-nothings are raping and fighting and stabbing down in Sydney?

[SARGE]

Dude I'm not going to even try convincing you, as because of your history you're always going to be biased. Not a slur, it's just inevitable that you will have such a viewpoint.

But I can't help saying this, though. Why should Mr Muhammed, a Malaysian Muslim father of two, have to see his house of worship get fire-bombed and his wife denied service in a shop and spat on because some Lebanese teenagers/early-20s good-for-nothings are raping and fighting and stabbing?

shouldnt ..but why does John Smith, father of 2,accountant and agnostic have to put up with the intimidation every time he walks his dog just because he is an infidel ( supposedly) i thought Islam had strong family values.. ( according to the marketing)..shouldnt thier kids be polite little darlings?

the East Africans ( Somalians) in Auckland havnt left the Somali way of life behind them one iota ..


why does the Muslim population stick within thier own community here in NZ and pretty much refuse to join the Kiwi culture? .. not even attempt to learn english.. not socialize with Westerners when they dont have to ..?

2 sides mate ..

[xwhatsit]

I think we're getting into our own wee backyard problems with multiculturalism here, and not even Gorgeous George can help us here, lol (why's he Gorgeous, anyway?)

Isolated ethnic communities is a whole thread in itself. People seem to be far better at integrating over here though compared to Sydney/Melbourne; although I haven't met any Somalians lately so you might have a point regarding them

It's funny, when I lived in Brisbane for some time, you'd go down to the Gold Coast. If you want to start talking about communities that don't integrate, look at the Kiwis on the Gold Coast. Robina especially. South Africans do the same. It's a bit different with the Kiwis and the South Africans as at least we're all speaking English and approximately similar culture to the Aussies, so it doesn't stand out so much.

Communities not integrating isn't just the Muslims, is the point I'm eventually getting around to. Indians, Chinese, Koreans, whatever...

Anyway. I want to hear why George is so Gorgeous, not discuss this kind of nonsense

[MisterD]

Anyway. I want to hear why George is so Gorgeous, not discuss this kind of nonsense

I think it's a tabloid thing, giving him sort of a boxer's nickname due to his confrontational style in parliament...

[Dave Lobster]

I see now the Americans are giving the Saudis $63 billion (USD) worth of weapons.

Never mind Iran, the biggest threat to stability in the Middle-East is the USA.

No. The biggest threat in the middle east, and worldwide, is the Saudis paying for mudslum only schools, and the poison that they're teaching children. I can't be ar5ed to look, but I'd put money on there being at least one here.

Why does the Muslim population stick within their own community here in NZ and pretty much refuse to join the Kiwi culture? .. not even attempt to learn English.. not socialize with Westerners when they don't have to ..?

It isn't just here. That's everywhere. At least the eggs are all in one basket, if you need to drop it.

I think it's a tabloid thing, giving him sort of a boxer's nickname due to his confrontational style in parliament...

Or out of. He's banned every five minutes.

[kro]

why does the Muslim population stick within thier own community here in NZ and pretty much refuse to join the Kiwi culture? .. not even attempt to learn english.. not socialize with Westerners when they dont have to ..?

Mate, what culture?. What is the New Zealand Culture?. The white faced populace in NZ is largely descendant from a pack of English people, who sat round and drank tea, and gossiped about the next higher or lower social class in their town.....occasionally punctuated by a game of watching paint dry (cricket), or a fox hunt.

Culture to me means the values, the actions, the religion, the idiosyncracies, the dances, the tribal life, the spirituality all rolled together, that IS that particular race of people. Our culture, if we actually have one, is diluted, and polluted in the extreme, as I struggle to find any defining, or commonalities in our heritage, other than a heavy vein of Christianity.

Everyone speaks of the pioneering hard ass early settlers, and how they forged this country. A huge portion of them were devout Christians, so each time we mock the Jesus set, we take a good round house swing at our own descendants beliefs, and devalue their memory each time.

[Dave Lobster]

A huge portion of them were devout Christians, so each time we mock the Jesus set, we take a good round house swing at our own descendants beliefs, and devalue their memory each time.

No it doesn't. It just means we've moved on from needing the control of a religion.

[MisterD]

Mate, what culture?. What is the New Zealand Culture?. The white faced populace in NZ is largely descendant from a pack of English people, who sat round and drank tea, and gossiped about the next higher or lower social class in their town.....occasionally punctuated by a game of watching paint dry (cricket), or a fox hunt.

That is so far off the mark, and such a sweeping generalisation that it would be labelled racism if you were talking about brown faces. There are strong and distinctive cultures that the various white immigrants brought with them that all weave together here....English, yes but also Scots, Irish, Germans, Croatians (Dallies), French.

I suggest you watch the TVNZ series "Here to stay", it's out on DVD now...

[kro]

It was a sweeping generalisation yes, but intended to point out the for the most part, the caucasian population, even if they have a rich culture, have traded it in for the mainstream, and thus we have disenfranchised races, unsure of who, or what they are all about.

Having strong Maori blood on my mums side of the family, I see my rellies as a proud, fiercely family conscious people, who know their roots, know their language, know their culture, and it challenges me.

My intention in all of this is to point out that Islam is not indigenous to NZ, and like anything "introduced", has to be handled carefully, lest it's spread pollute the culture of its host country. The Maori are keenly aware of this fact.

Label me racist, I am not concerned with it in the least.