Workplace urine test

[Swoop]

I pay for a lot of people on the dole... Can I use them?

I have a house to paint, gardens to be completed...

Better ask the Paremoremo prison guards for clarification on this one....

[deanohit]

Very good Korumba. Its a very valid point and a bloody great idea. I am all for drug testing all the fuckers

[Eddieb]

I'd be more into giving them all a smart card with some biometric ID in it so they can only claim ONE benefit....

I was thinking about this the other day, rather than deposit the benefit into their account, credit it to a debit card that does not function at liqour king etc, gambling establishments and all the other crap some bludgers waste their money on, and doesn't allow cash withdrawls so everything benefit money is spent on can be monitored.

The idea stinks of Big Brother (Which I don't like normally) but if they want to be given money for nothing then there should be some control to ensure it's not squandered. Maybe don't do it for eveyone but have it as an option for those beneficeries who always claim they don't have enough to live on and need 'budget assistance' or are 'suspect'.

[pyrocam]

Write to your MP

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Incoming government must end child poverty in NZ

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please post your letters so we can blatantly rip them off to our MP's also



edit: that link is out of date, here is another http://www.parliament.nz/NR/rdonlyre...bers300708.pdf

[ManDownUnder]

Checked - and this is either a repost (in PD) or not... but it's worth a discussion..!

Edit - this is simply a cut and paste. I like the sentiment but haven't edited it - just chucked it up for comment.

I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to earn that pay cheque, as I work in the timber industry, I am required to pass a random urine test, with which I have no problem in passing .

What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare cheque because I have to pass one to earn it for them??

Please understand – I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet.

I do on the other hand have a problem with helping someone sit on their arse drinking piss & smoking dope all day.

Could you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a DPB cheque???

Please pass this along if you agree or simply delete if you don't.

Hope you all will pass it along though, because something has to change in this country, and soon!

[justsomeguy]

Very fair comment. I don't see why we need the damn dole anyway for able bodied people.

Only people with physical or mental problems who can't work in mainstream society should get the dole.

Or if they have to give able bodied people the dole, the payments should decrease by 5-10% every week.

[Maha]

[FONT=Arial]I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to earn that pay cheque,

Na see ya lost me already Ned...that sounds to much like..My Mothers Uncles Kids Best Friend.......its been a long week!...

[Highlander]

Na see ya lost me already Ned...that sounds to much like..My Mothers Uncles Kids Best Friend.......its been a long week!...

Are you confused or what? He means my mothers son, who also just happens to be my wifes husband.

[Storm]

He means, dont do drugs mmmkay, drugs are bad.

IE if you are wasting the hard working folks money, (not to mention valuable oxygen) being a lazy c&%t on drugs, you can bloody well work for the money to pay for them.

[Blondini]

You can receive a sickness benefit for being an alcoholic or a drug userGo figure

[Mom]

You can receive a sickness benefit for being an alcoholic or a drug userGo figure

Yes you can, Alcoholism is a disease! trust me I was raised by one/two.

I have had tenants on sickness benefits, their only illness being booze. Sad but necessary to provide some support for these people.

I really wish I had the answers mate!

[LilSel]

He means, dont do drugs mmmkay -unless you can afford them? lol

You can receive a sickness benefit for being an alcoholic or a drug userGo figure

- omg...... thats a bit... weird!!... Here's some money... go get another bottle, nevermind working to earn $$ to pay for it yourself.

I really wish I had the answers mate!

I think a lot of people wish they had the answers too...

... I agree with the general jist of 'drug test for DPB'...

[Mom]

... I agree with the general jist of 'drug test for DPB'...

I totally disagree with drug testing DPB beneficiaries!! The tests that should be done are to parenting skills, lifestyle etc. If parenting skills are not up to a standard then extra support needs to be put in place to ensure things work as well as they possibly can.

The reason a DPB is paid is to support the children, they are the treasures that should come first!

Cant imagine a society that says no to a drug positive parent that has kids to support

[LilSel]

I totally disagree with drug testing DPB beneficiaries!! The tests that should be done are to parenting skills, lifestyle etc. If parenting skills are not up to a standard then extra support needs to be put in place to ensure things work as well as they possibly can.

The reason a DPB is paid is to support the children, they are the treasures that should come first!

I speak of the 'general jist'... surely those parenting skills etc would be affected if the parents were stoners??

[Mom]

I speak of the 'general jist'... surely those parenting skills etc would be affected if the parents were stoners??

Yes of course! But you can not deny financial support for struggling families, it is about supporting them. Support being the operative word here, takes more than a bit of weekly financial assistance to ensure our children are safe.