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    Quote Originally Posted by spudchucka View Post
    The latest figures are more like 92K.
    A hit-man would be cheaper in the long run...
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    Neither revenge, nor punishment of the offender/s do anything to protect kids!
    Diarrhoea is hereditary - it runs in your jeans

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    No one expressed it better than Maymonides: "Merciful to the wicked is wicked to the merciful". Some crimes must carry a mandatory death sentence. Full stop.
    "People are stupid ... almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People's heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true ... they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so all are easier to fool." -- Wizard's First Rule

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    Quote Originally Posted by yungatart View Post
    Neither revenge, nor punishment of the offender/s do anything to protect kids!
    Stops reoffending - something NZ seems to have a quite abysmal record of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    Stops reoffending - something NZ seems to have a quite abysmal record of.
    Yeah, it stops that person offending again, (while they are in prison) but it does nothing to prevent anyone else doing the same thing, or worse!
    Diarrhoea is hereditary - it runs in your jeans

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    http://www.stuff.co.nz/4153131a11.html

    sigh - if its not reported or does not make the media then thats a start. Get the media into it, DEMAND it's reported like drink driving, Don't give the fuckers a place to hide - if it runs in families - name and shame - place the cunts in all those unused 'facilities' the mentally unwell used to inhabit and don't let em out until they see the error of their ways and have the skills to cope in the real world...

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    I'm with 007XX on this - touch my child, you die.

    No ifs or buts. And it won't be quick or pleasant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peasea View Post
    As long as judges dish out lame sentences we will always see this
    Heartbreaking, what she suffered through. She's better off where she is. Poor wee baby.

    What I just don't get, tho, is when people say it's caused by the short sentences handed out. Surely anyone with normal morals and half an ounce of decency wouldn't do anything like that, regardless of the penalties? Think about murder - is it the prison sentence that deters you from committing the crime? I very much doubt it. What holds you back is your sense of right and wrong.

    I agree that we need to be harsher with our penalties (even if just to make ourselves feel better), but I don't think that having longer sentences, or even the death penalty, will deter these freaks.

    I don't, however, know how on earth you instill a sense of right/wrong and honest-to-goodness decency in these sorts. Families like these are in such a spiral of violence and abuse - the parents abuse the kids and other adults so it's all the kids learn, so they in turn become the abusers.....

    I seriously feel that the only way to break the cycle is to deny individuals with a history of violence (especially domestic), or of sexual predation, the right to breed. And the only way to do that (in the absence of the death penalty) is to sterilise them. I'm not saying that should be the only penalty, but it should certainly be part of the programme. We should also seriously consider applying the same rules to those who stand by and let child abuse happen. And the right to silence? Bollocks.
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    The risk factors are already widely known - single parenthood, low maternal education, low maternal age at birth, poor housing, large family size, and parental drug or alcohol abuse. The incidence of abuse rises sharply with poverty. Of course, that's not to say that everyone that falls in one of these categories abuses kids, these are only risk indicators, not predictors.

    But the whole anti-smacking propaganda just managed to muddy the waters... Spain has the lowest child abuse rate in the world (0.1 per 100000). No anti-smacking laws there, but strong family and community ties.

    Until we get a govt that works to strengthen instead of undermine communities, it'll be hard to change. Even then, I think it'll be a long road to recovery.
    Overhauling sentences, having the legal system protect the victim instead of the offender (and holds offenders accountable), and creating a child welfare system that actually works to support and strengthen families would all go a long way to improving the country...

    Failing that, the film "Boondock Saints" should become a training guide, rather than entertainment

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    Quote Originally Posted by yungatart View Post
    Rest in peace little one, because you certainly didn't live that way.

    If you want to help, then keep a friendly eye on your neighbours kids, your neices and nephews, your friends kids. Step in when it is needed!
    Our babies need protecting from scum like this.
    Make sure you stand up and are counted!
    id like to agree with this, but cant.

    my brother and his root have just another baby. [that makes 2 for him, and 4 for her] since their first was born, she has often disappeared, for days on end. no one can track her down. so, he is left looking after 3 kids, missing work, or forcing one of my parents to miss work so they can babysit. the kids, while they arent abused, they are neglected and not fed right. we have called cyfs so many times, and the cops. none of them want to listen.

    last time we had the young girl, we had her for almost 3 days. in those days, she had one bowel movement, and it hurt her bad. shes only 18 months old, and was in tears trying to rid her body of it. and the horse shit thing is, they knew she was constipated, and blamed the country water! WTF??

    the youngest was born yesterday, and shes vanished already, leaving him with a list of what to buy for her. clothes for bubs, maternity pads and a bra [shes had 4 kids... did she not have a bra from previously?] pisses me right off, that my mother is being depended on to clothe kids that arent even related to her! [and shes stupid, because she permits and almost encourages it!]

    the agencies that are meant to help and look after our kids, dont want to know until the kids are 6 feet under. as i say, mum has called cyfs heaps, cos she just up and leaves without warning.

    it is sad that nia is dead, but she is one of the lucky ones. she doesnt have to grow up with it, and she cant do the same to her kids.
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    reading that story just makes me want to drive and find one of those mongrels and slowly but surely kill them.
    it would not stop others from offending as you say but it would fucking stop the mongrel i would've just killed from re offending.
    after i read that report from busa pete i think it was.
    i thought about the times i get pissed off about minute things or get worried if some one hasn't paid their bills to me.
    when its just a fuckin flash in the pan with what these kids go through.
    heres me worried about some one paying me for a job done and heres a poor innocent kid shitting about the beating they will get for sweet fuck all.
    brings a new perspective to me.
    also why do we always see ads on tv for saving kids overseas when we dont for helping our own countryies kids.?
    is it because no one wants to advertise for these kids because we dont want to admit some of this country are fucking useless maggoty parents and care givers?
    sorry about my spelling but now i just feel like findin some kid beater and gettin myself a murder charge , hang on with this coiuntry justice system i'd get a manslaughter charger and be out in six months . this country has a bunch of soft jelly babies running it with their heads all stuck up their fuckin arses smeelin roses.
    Rant over and me out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peasea View Post
    As long as judges dish out lame sentences we will always see this. How do we obtain justice from judges? They have the power to contain these foul, infinitely offensive and abusive, dysfunctional miscreants but little seems to be done. Why? Who are these judges? Why do they not administer what the general public see as fair sentences?
    Our judges are all former lawyers so they love this kind of thing....helps to keep their money-go-round spinning.






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    That poor little kid- what a way to die... what a way to live.
    The justice system had better serve up some actual justice this time.

    There should be special prisons for offenders like these. No TV. No comfort. No outside contact. Just the bare minimum required to live. And they should stay there until death.
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    RIP Nia. As others have said may the angels now look after you and give you big hugs.
    Small and dangerous with a sting in my tail!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 007XX View Post
    You touch my baby, you die. Very straight forward.

    + 1

    Very painfully, to hell with the consequences.

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