Chef stabs assailant and now faces prison.

[Ocean1]

Sorry, based on the basics of the story (and personally I wouldn't trust most journos to get even that right) I believe the response was appropriate.

I know the law sees it differently but I don't agree. If you're alone and being attacked by a group I believe you have an ethical right to use a bigger stick. If you're going to use it then make it count, you won't get too many chances.

The only way you'll ever really know if he was justified in his actions is if you're there. I hope you never are, but the odds are getting better that one day you will be.

[jrandom]

You have stated your point, i stated mine - it was a stalemate so i left it how it was. I don't bicker about pointless things at home and i wont here.
In a true society these punks would already be in schemes to show them not how to be scumbags, the chef could safely catch a bus home, and the news would always be boring.

Fair enough. I see where you're coming from, and anyway, I'm intentionally just arguing for one particular side here, because I think it needs to be said.

In the end, I agree that the real problem is the stupid little hoodlums, and the chef sounds like a good guy who ended up reacting naturally to a situation that he shouldn't have had to deal with.

[idb]

The chef wasn't trapped in a dark alleyway. He was on a bus, fer chrissakes.

"As the group got off the bus, they made more comments and one of them punched him in the mouth."

Sounds like a parting shot that he could have ignored and walked away from with nothing more than a sore face. Let's not fuck about - his pride was injured, he was carrying a weapon, the red mist came up and he used it. I'm sure a few of you can imagine doing the same thing. Doesn't mean it was the right thing to do.

I have no doubt that as it was on a bus, there were witnesses. The bus driver at least. Their description of events will have been taken into account.

And don't forget - the chef pleaded guilty to the charge of injuring with intent to cause grevious bodily harm. That means that he doesn't think he has a reasonable chance of convincing a jury that his actions met the simple definition of self defence in NZ law.

I hear a lot of ranting and beating of chests, here, about the wrong done to a guy who's already admitted in Court that he fucked up. Get some perspective, guys.

I'm sorry, whether it be due to the red mist, or fear or hurt pride or whatever...if someone initiates unprovoked violence on someone else how can they have any right to surprise when the response is beyond their control?

[WRT]

"As the group got off the bus, they made more comments and one of them punched him in the mouth."

Sounds like a parting shot that he could have ignored and walked away from with nothing more than a sore face.

Not picking at you in particular here, jrandom, but there is another point that I think should be made.

The cops always tell you to walk away, to let them sort it out. But lets face it - if the chef took the punch in the mouth, let the group get off the bus and then gone to the cops, nothing would happen. The cops wouldn't have time or resources to follow up, and the group all head off thinking that they can get away with punching people in the mouth.

The guy should have used a smaller knife, then gone to the cops himself, and when they ask him who punched him he can say check the emergency rooms for a guy wearing a knife. Then he looks like he wasnt the aggressor, the cops know who the crim is, and the group know better than to fuck around with people minding their business on the bus.

[jrandom]

The guy should have used a smaller knife, then gone to the cops himself...

This is why I carry a Chinook II. 9.5cm blade, so it's a 'pocket knife', and it's perfect for doing just enough in the right way to make someone back off. It's designed to take out tendons.

And it's amazingly handy for just about any general-duties situation you can think of

[Lias]

This is why the law needs to be changed, so that bullshit prosecutions like this cannot happen in NZ.

If you genuinely fear for the safety of yourself, or others, you should have the legal right to use any force necessary (including lethal) to negate that threat.

If I was in that blokes shoes I'd have done the same thing (well maybe not.. I'd probably have pulled the knife out of the cunt and chased the rest of them with it)

[Lias]

justice.........there is no fuking justice

Too true.. However the BDOTGNZA wishes to inform you that the word you seek is "fucking".. I believe fuking is a place in China

The chef did little to help himself in this case. Carrying an offensive weapon is a criminal act, as is using it. So too is running from a crime scene.

And it's his word against those of his alleged assailants, one of whom was stabbed.

Let's let the criminal justice system sort this out.

You can call it a criminal system, or a legal system, but given the state of it I dont see how you can sit there and call it a justice system Mr H, because their isn't a lot of justice dished out by it.

[scumdog]

Looks like a bit of over-reaction by the chef - but who knows what the poor bugger actually thought was going to happen to him?

And for the mouthy littles escapee from a condom? - I bet he thinks (hahaha 'thinks' mwahahah-sorry!) twice before opening his repository for excessive junk-food at a stranger.
(I wonder if he can eat and breathe at the same time?)

[imdying]

I doubt it... he's probably big man on campus now 'coz I got stabbed bro, they tried to take me down like fiddy cent yo'.

[JimO]

This is why I carry a Chinook II. 9.5cm blade, so it's a 'pocket knife', and it's perfect for doing just enough in the right way to make someone back off. It's designed to take out tendons.

And it's amazingly handy for just about any general-duties situation you can think of

use that and you will be in the cell with the chef

[avgas]

fiddy cent yo'.

I love his name - its the most polite way call yourself a loser.
He's 50 cent, not the whole buck.
But then again there was
2 pac, not 6
Easy E
Shaggy, (who loves scooby snacks)
Mims......the only person who read couldnt afford actual M&M's so just got MM's

I'm just waiting for one to roll up, a say
"Yo Nigga's you know me, im a mother fucker undenied, mother fucker Petafile"

[jrandom]

use that and you will be in the cell with the chef

Depends entirely on the situation, and I back myself to not be stupid with it.

[JimO]

Depends entirely on the situation, and I back myself to not be stupid with it.

tell that to the judge bud

[jrandom]

tell that to the judge bud

I'd rather be tried by twelve than carried by six.

[toycollector10]

I would rather see the street rat with a knife in his side than some guy going about his own business lying in a pool of blood with these violent little c*nts jumping up and down on his head.

What is wrong here is all the liberals like jrandom, the prosecutor, the guys lawyer and the police lining up to jump up and down on the chef. All your touchy feely stuff just doesn't wash with me.

Summary justice was issued and it was a clear case of self defence.