Chef stabs assailant and now faces prison.

[jrandom]

liberals like jrandom... touchy feely...

Fuck off. Who else in this thread has admitted to daily self-defence knife carry?

Fact is, the chef didn't handle the situation perfectly, and he's having to suck up some pretty harsh consequences. Life's a bitch.

[avgas]

Why is so expensive for meat at the supermarket? plenty of it walking round acting gansta.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Read the article - the chef's "little history of offending" can also, depending on how the reporter wants to slant the story, read as "two previous convictions".

And he ran from the scene instead of staying and taking responsibility for his actions. It's all very sad, but the bottom line is, an unarmed guy got stabbed.

Personally, I would be disappointed in myself if I ever 'snapped' and failed to contain my 'animal nature'. I despise individuals who lack the capability to control those impulses.

The redneck nonsense along the lines of "the kid had it coming" that people are spouting on this thread is typical of the childish, irresponsible bullshit that drags NZ society down.

And you wonder why we have a problem with ethnic gangs and child abuse?

but presumably someone who thought deeply about their situation, and then calmly and rationally decided to do something that was LATER perceived by people who werent there to be an over reaction would be OK?

hmmmmmm

I loved this bit of that article:

The chef then pulled a chef's knife with 25cm long and 5cm wide blade out of his bag and thrust it into the side up to handle of a 15-year-old boy.

I cant remember having a handle (well, maybe one...) when I was 15.

I can see that self defence wouldnt run here: the assailants were alighting the bus, the punch had been thrown and the weasels were running away. [edit] so he wasnt in any more clear and present danger, and so self defence not available. Presumably the limited excuse of provocation was argued or would have been. The guys lawyer is the second last person in the world to call a liberal too. BTW.

Poetic justice on scumbag, sure, but legal? definitely not.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Why is so expensive for meat at the supermarket? plenty of it walking round acting gansta.

mmmmmmm long pork.

the problem is I only buy meat that I know where and how it was farmed and that "on the hoof" variety you describe is likely to be tainted by all sorts of nasty chemicals, not to mention bad diet and not enough exercise.

[u4ea]

The little shit head had it coming to him.. crips crap bollocks..they just wanted a fight and they got one.Hope the chef gets off with a smack on the hand.

[imdying]

they just wanted a fight and they got one

Hard to take much from the article, always is, a grain of salt is safest with anything the media says... but I'd say that there it pretty accurate.

[cynna]

Too true.. However the BDOTGNZA wishes to inform you that the word you seek is "fucking".. I believe fuking is a place in China

didnt want to offend the kiwibiker police

[avgas]

mmmmmmm long pork.

the problem is I only buy meat that I know where and how it was farmed and that "on the hoof" variety you describe is likely to be tainted by all sorts of nasty chemicals, not to mention bad diet and not enough exercise.

I wonder what would happen if i dumped a body at Progressive (foodmore/foodcap) in Mt Wellington....................
I'd prob pay $6/kg to get it back.

[Patrick]

Personally, I would be disappointed in myself if I ever 'snapped' and failed to contain my 'animal nature'. I despise individuals who lack the capability to control those impulses.

The redneck nonsense along the lines of "the kid had it coming" that people are spouting on this thread is typical of the childish, irresponsible bullshit that drags NZ society down.

And you wonder why we have a problem with ethnic gangs and child abuse?

He was probably a guy just like you, going home from work, assaulted by a group unexpectedly and unwarranted, and perhaps forced to face off to a group of thugs, intent to stomp on his head to see what colour his brains are, if he reacted to the one who punched him

the police are caught in between the rock and the hard plate.

No word about if they prosecuted the assaulter? The one who punched him and the one who threw items at him??

What do you call burying a 25cm knife up to the hilt in someone's torso?

I have no doubt that if the kids on the bus had been swinging baseball bats, the situation would have been very different. But they were unarmed. Big difference.

Preventing further attack.

NOt so sure... unarmed groups can kill a lone victim....

I have no doubt that as it was on a bus, there were witnesses. The bus driver at least. Their description of events will have been taken into account.

And don't forget - the chef pleaded guilty to the charge of injuring with intent to cause grevious bodily harm. That means that he doesn't think he has a reasonable chance of convincing a jury that his actions met the simple definition of self defence in NZ law.

Would be nice to know the whole facts....

Summary justice was issued and it was a clear case of self defence.

Not so clear, but depends how you read the story I suppose...

I can see that self defence wouldnt run here: the assailants were alighting the bus, the punch had been thrown and the weasels were running away. [edit] so he wasnt in any more clear and present danger, and so self defence not available. Presumably the limited excuse of provocation was argued or would have been. The guys lawyer is the second last person in the world to call a liberal too. BTW.

Poetic justice on scumbag, sure, but legal? definitely not.

Wonder what would have happened if he just shoved the knife up under the little oxygen thiefs nose and said, "Where do you want this?"

The little shit head had it coming to him.. crips crap bollocks..they just wanted a fight and they got one.Hope the chef gets off with a smack on the hand.

I hope it is not as harsh as that...

[Biff]

I've been punched in the mouth a few times. It's not pleasant, but it doesn't warrant a retaliatory stabbing. It doesn't sound like any of the youth gang were armed.

What the man said. Sounds like a case of over-reaction by the chef IMO.

IMO when you stab someone you know that the chances are quite high that you're going to kill them. Endofacto. Not acceptable.

[SPman]

What is wrong here is all the liberals like jrandom, the prosecutor, the guys lawyer and the police lining up to jump up and down on the chef. All your touchy feely stuff just doesn't wash with me.

Jrandom liberal??!!
About as liberal as me when it comes down to it - do all you can to avoid a situation, but if it's inevitable, get in first, fast and fierce!
Whilst I feel sorry for the guy, in any civilised country, an eight inch blade against an "unarmed" person won't wash in the courts. All he can do is mitigate his circumstances as much as possible and hope the judge realises he felt threatened, scared and desperate for his safety so lashed out with what was to hand - his work tools he was carrying home!

[Hitcher]

didn't want to offend the kiwibiker police

It takes some pretty fucking strong language to offend those cunts. Missing apostrophes? Different story...

[JimO]

I'd rather be tried by twelve than carried by six.

perhaps thats what the chef was thinkng

[jrandom]

perhaps thats what the chef was thinkng

Nah, more likely it was just the red mist.

Anyway, he didn't even wait to be tried by twelve. He pleaded guilty to injuring with intent!

[Skyryder]

The chef wasn't trapped in a dark alleyway. He was on a bus, fer chrissakes.

"As the group got off the bus, they made more comments and one of them punched him in the mouth."

Sounds like a parting shot that he could have ignored and walked away from with nothing more than a sore face. Let's not fuck about - his pride was injured, he was carrying a weapon, the red mist came up and he used it. I'm sure a few of you can imagine doing the same thing. Doesn't mean it was the right thing to do.

I have no doubt that as it was on a bus, there were witnesses. The bus driver at least. Their description of events will have been taken into account.

And don't forget - the chef pleaded guilty to the charge of injuring with intent to cause grevious bodily harm. That means that he doesn't think he has a reasonable chance of convincing a jury that his actions met the simple definition of self defence in NZ law.

I hear a lot of ranting and beating of chests, here, about the wrong done to a guy who's already admitted in Court that he fucked up. Get some perspective, guys.

Some good points made with this post.


Skyryder