Chef stabs assailant and now faces prison.

[imdying]

Here's my interpretation.

Young guy (21) got shouted at, lost the plot - saw red and grabbed whatever was handy to kill the little mofo having a go at him.

Oh, I get it, you're delusional... it all makes sense now.

Closer to the truth is: 'The chef was abused and something was thrown at him. As the group got off the bus, they made more comments and one of them punched him in the mouth.'

And then the little piece of gutter trash got stabbed, as he so richly deserved

/edit: To be clear, if your version of the events was what actually took place, and it was just a little lip, then yes stabbing the guy would've been an over reaction. But you out number me, punch me in the mouth, all whilst I've got a carving knife, you better have your medical insurance paid up...

[ManDownUnder]

Oh, I get it, you're delusional... it all makes sense now.

Quite - but that's beside the point. I prefer "idealist" - so much classier.

Oh, I get it, you're delusional... it all makes sense now. Closer to the truth is: 'The chef was abused and something was thrown at him. As the group got off the bus, they made more comments and one of them punched him in the mouth.'

OH MY GOD - lots of people were calling him names, and and and someone threw something... *sob*.

He should have used his machine gun!

And then the little piece of gutter trash got stabbed, as he so richly deserved

If the guy had a restaurant full of mates behind him when he was stabbed, the Chef was lucky not to have the living TAR kicked out of him.

STILL a dumb move. STILL no excuse for raising things to a lethal threat, and to do it in the face of potentially overwhelming force? Either brave or (more likely) stupid... fuelled by testosterone.

LOL and chap... "Not my fault all those little black kids are trouble makers." ain't a good tag on the red bling. At least you're racist in private too - consistancy is important..

[Grahameeboy]

Why did I think of Waitara when I read that?

Anyway, I can't help but wonder why this chef was carrying such a knife in the first place. Can't he leave his tools of trade at his place of work? That's where my tools always used to stay when I was throwing spanners. Maybe he was temping and prefers his own blades, fair enough. However, he had it on his person and used it to defend himself; I see no problem here apart from a fucked-up legal system (it's not a justice system....) and lawyers laughing all the way to the bank.

As usual.

Some chefs use their own knives at work and take home at the end of a shift so that could explain why he had the knife on him...

[imdying]

OH MY GOD - lots of people were calling him names, and and and someone threw something... *sob*.

Excellent, so you mum is on the way home from work, accosted by a street gang, abused, has stuff thrown at her, and punched in the face, you'll be happy for nothing to happen... excellent, where does she work again? Got a picture? Good enough for that chef, good enough for your mum I say.

[ManDownUnder]

Excellent, so you mum is on the way home from work, accosted by a street gang, abused, has stuff thrown at her, and punched in the face, you'll be happy for nothing to happen... excellent, where does she work again? Got a picture? Good enough for that chef, good enough for your mum I say.

So lets say it's your 8 year old brother that punches my Mum, and my Mum stabs your baby brother... It's the same childish argument. You're not adding credibility to either side by swapping the characters involved. Nice try to make it personal by the way - again - stick to facts, not emotions... although I can see merit in why you did it.

Both sides simply need to be accountable for their behaviour.... don't they?

[avgas]

Anyway, I can't help but wonder why this chef was carrying such a knife in the first place. Can't he leave his tools of trade at his place of work? That's where my tools always used to stay when I was throwing spanners.

Pretty much every young chef i know takes their knives home, main reasons being - most knife sets will back about $500-1000 for the good stuff. So in a kitchen its like leaving ya wallet at the pokies.
Most young chef's are training, so they take their knives from work, to tech to home.
Good, sharp knives are worth their weight in gold for a young chef. I got on good with the local chef's as i used to sharpen their blades to perfection for them (i was a dishwasher at the time).

[justsomeguy]

The chef did what anyone would have done. Fight or flight - he did both.

Having been in a similar situation the only reason I didn't do something similar was because I had nothing to use. In those circumstances you don't think, you react or simply act.

Call the cops, well... you might as well ask for divine intervention as you have a higher chance of a response.

JRandom mate, you talk a lot of sense. However you also talk as though you got all your reasoning out of a book. Unless one is a veteran police officer/firefighter/ambo or defence force recruit there is no bloody way in hell that they can "predict" their reaction under immediate physical threat.

[justsomeguy]

Good, sharp knives are worth their weight in gold for a young chef.

Exactly.

That's why he always would have them around while going to work or back, just like a plumber's van full of tools, a cop car with a radar, a construction workers helmet and boots...geddit?

[imdying]

So lets say it's your 8 year old brother that punches my Mum, and my Mum stabs your baby brother... It's the same childish argument. You're not adding credibility to either side by swapping the characters involved. Nice try to make it personal by the way - again - stick to facts, not emotions... although I can see merit in why you did it.

Both sides simply need to be accountable for their behaviour.... don't they?

Then not only does my brother need a good stabbing, but my mother would too. WTF was she doing letting my brother join a hoodie (more politically correct for you) gang in the first place??

Basically at the core, the Chch City Council has invested huge sums of money into building a public bus infrastructure that is becoming quite good in most areas. What is the point of even bothering if if can't even be used in safety... and for what, because you can't ride certain routes in a certain coloured jacket? WTF? It warms my heart to see someone standing up to those little punks, and reeducating them on basic manners. I don't really see what choice he had... stab one in a confined place allowing for a get away, or ignore them, get off the bus, and get the crap kicked out of him... it's happened before, but gladly, not this time.

[ManDownUnder]

Basically at the core, the Chch City Council has invested huge sums of money into building a public bus infrastructure that is becoming quite good in most areas. What is the point of even bothering if if can't even be used in safety... and for what, because you can't ride certain routes in a certain coloured jacket?

Agreed

It warms my heart to see someone standing up to those little punks, and reeducating them on basic manners. I don't really see what choice he had... stab one in a confined place allowing for a get away, or ignore them, get off the bus, and get the crap kicked out of him... it's happened before, but gladly, not this time.

Agreed re someone standing up to them.

But therein lies a key difference - you're saying it was an immediately life threatening situation... I'm not convinced. A punch to the mouth and a few names?

If, and this is a hypothetical, the guy had no option but to return lethal force (note RETURN. not "opt to use")... he still needs to be held accountable for it. I don't care who uses what force - they are accountable for it.

Again - it would like he was bloody lucky the law of the jungle didn't turn on him and he had the living tar kicked out of him. He escalated it to a use of lethal force, and anyone else that got into the fight would have the defence of standing in defence of another. The hoodies win.

[justsomeguy]

Isn't the general arse saving protocol when faced with a group to disable as severely as possible one of the group and hope the others don't wanna be next?

Something along the lines, "Together you can kill me but the next fella to try anything gets the same fate."
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MDU, If they want to be criminals then shouldn't they be fine with being reacted to outside the law?

[ManDownUnder]

Isn't the general arse saving protocol when faced with a group to disable as severely as possible one of the group and hope the others don't wanna be next?

Something along the lines, "Together you can kill me but the next fella to try anything gets the same fate."

Yup - life or death stuff. Find the smallest target, incapacitate them and use them as a shield (ideally). Best way to win a fight is by at least 100m though.

MDU, If they want to be criminals then shouldn't they be fine with being reacted to outside the law?

I see what you're saying and while it is deliciously tempting, no. That's a justification for vigilante justice the world over, closely followed by the breakdown of justice and mayhem.

Iraq's a great example of the moment.

Accountability is paramount.

[imdying]

Again - it would like he was bloody lucky the law of the jungle didn't turn on him and he had the living tar kicked out of him. He escalated it to a use of lethal force, and anyone else that got into the fight would have the defence of standing in defence of another. The hoodies win.

Agreed, he was bloody lucky. It's assumption, but I'm picking that most hoodie gangs don't understand that even a few kicks to a persons head can quite easily kill them, and I'd wager that if they'd got him on the ground he would've taken a few.

The poor bastard should never ever have been put in that position in the first place, hence I will never feel sorry for those that put him there.

Having seen these gangs, I'm sure that his life could have been in danger if he'd made the wrong move, showed too much weakness, whatever. That poor bugger delivering pizza and having his head stoved in by a baseball bat is evidence enough of the seriousness of the problem we have with these little bastards.

[terbang]

If they want to be criminals then shouldn't they be fine with being reacted to outside the law?

A good point and close to the origional thrust of this thread. I can operate outside the law as much as I like until it backfires on me and I get hurt. Then I will take advantage of it's full protection.
As a result of 'the rights of criminals' we have to sit around and wait for the cops while being out-numbered and punched in the head for wearing the wrong coloured clothes. I'm all for law and order but if attacked by a group of pricks, I'll defend myself and show how sharp my teeth really are as well. Though it probably wouldn't involve sticking a knife into someone.
However, it is a reality that there are shitheads out there who want to do bad stuff to us and it is better to prevent than react. Stay away from dodgey areas.

[jrandom]

Call the cops, well... you might as well ask for divine intervention as you have a higher chance of a response.

Have you ever actually called in an assault in progress?

I have. Er, well, actually, someone else did.



But the response was pretty fucking impressive.

JRandom mate, you talk a lot of sense. However you also talk as though you got all your reasoning out of a book...

... and you reckon the book's wrong?