Chef stabs assailant and now faces prison.

[Goblin]

"Common sense"? You cannot be serious. So it's OK then to bury a 25cm chef's knife into people who are troubling you? And people who do this would make great neighbours? Get real.

Would you prefer these little shits just be allowed to roam the streets intimidating, harrassing and assaulting anyone they choose?
I think you are the one who needs to get real here. These gangs of hoodies are a real problem! Mr Chef deserves a medal for the courage it takes to stand up to these little dropkicks.
I know who I'd rather have as a neighbor.

[ghost]

"Common sense"? You cannot be serious. So it's OK then to bury a 25cm chef's knife into people who are troubling you? And people who do this would make great neighbours? Get real.

And it should be yourselves.

Hitcher, I know what kind of "pinko" view you hold on these matters, but I wonder if you have stopped to remember how many people are lying in the ground now because they were "troubled". If I have to pick a side here, it would be with the vicious knife wielding maniac looking to stab someone, and not with the nice young boys riding home on a bus after chior practice, because somehow I dont think I happened quite like that.........

Thanks for the speelink leasson tooooooo .... I feal likke a much beeter persun fo it

[Hitcher]

Would you prefer these little shits just be allowed to roam the streets intimidating, harrassing and assaulting anyone they choose?
I think you are the one who needs to get real here. These gangs of hoodies are a real problem! Mr Chef deserves a medal for the courage it takes to stand up to these little dropkicks.
I know who I'd rather have as a neighbor.

I guess in that case our chef was well prepared. If he had been lightly jostled, then a small paring knife may have been preferred. Sarcasm may have resulted in him using a melon baller.

I he were my neighbour I would be unlikely to complain or appear threatening, that's for sure.

And don't be a twat. Just because I am opposed to excessive and unnecessary force doesn't mean I am a fan of harrassment of the kind to which you allude. Mr Chef wasn't striken with Batman-like altruism here either. His deification by some is pitiable.

[dino3310]

many years ago i was jumped by 3 young clowns in an alley outside the spacies,one of them had a bat.long story short ,i ended up with the bat and broke on of there jaws he was 14,i was only 17.cops arrested me the little fuckers told the cops i attacked them, lucky for me a witness came forward and the charges where dropped,they got of cause of there age. if it ever happens again i'll probably run like a girl but not from fear of the hoods but more fear of the fucked up system, kinda feel sorry for the chef, no where to run in the back of the bus, guess ya gotta do what ya instinks tell you to do.
hope he dosent get to harsh a punishment

[Mekk]

I couldn't find anyone in NZ or Oz selling them, so I ordered mine direct from Spyderco in Colorado via their website. US$180 for the knife plus US$50 shipping.

You could almost certainly get one cheaper if you shopped around the various online knife and tool retailers, but I was in lust and couldn't be bothered.

Cheers, I'll look into it.

[idb]

............ Just because I am opposed to excessive and unnecessary force doesn't mean I am a fan of harrassment of the kind to which you allude. Mr Chef wasn't striken with Batman-like altruism here either. His deification by some is pitiable.

Agreed, but the young thugs had already used excessive and un-necessary force themselves.
I don't think you can expect a measured response from a terrified victim who has no experience or training in confrontational situations.
Even curling up into a ball on the floor until the little pricks had left could be an excessively passive and therefore inappropriate response.

[Paul in NZ]

Chefs regularly carry their work knifes with them - sometimes just wrapped up in a tea towel or some such... A bad choice but one most of us would make if we felt threatened.

The little prick got mouthy and then threw a punch. He ended up with a knife in the guts - a bit rough but ya shouldn't bite off more than you can chew.

[Goblin]

I guess in that case our chef was well prepared. If he had been lightly jostled, then a small paring knife may have been preferred. Sarcasm may have resulted in him using a melon baller.

I he were my neighbour I would be unlikely to complain or appear threatening, that's for sure.

And don't be a twat. Just because I am opposed to excessive and unnecessary force doesn't mean I am a fan of harrassment of the kind to which you allude. Mr Chef wasn't striken with Batman-like altruism here either. His deification by some is pitiable.

Yeah I'd have to agree that a paring knife would have been more appropriate. The carving knife may indeed have been excessive but by no means unnecessary.

Mr Chef was minding his own business on a bus. If the little shitheads had done the same thing, one wouldn't have got a knife in the guts and Mr Chef would still be going about his business without a possible prison sentence hanging over him. Im sorry if I cant find any sympathy for the shitheads. It's just not there. They brought it all on themselves. I really feel sorry for Mr Chef though. Good luck to him in court. I hope the judge on the day isnt one of those ancient fossils so far removed from reality they think paedophiles should do community service instead of prison time.

[Delerium]

In a pressure situation like this I dont think the guy would be too worried about being all picky and choosy about which knife he grabbed. Id grab the first one that came to hand.

[Guitana]

I'm all for self defence but sticking some prick with a knife can be a pretty final decision to make on someones life!
It seems too easy for wankers these days to carry a knife and use it maybe they're all too weak and soft to sort their problems out the manly way!!
All public transport tickets should come with free martial arts lessons it seems it's always the place people get dealt to!!
I got mugged on the train by six tough guys who held a knife to my throat for twenty bucks and a jacket!
The funny thing was the train gaurd saw what was goin on and locked the carriage off until the rozzers arrived!
When we were taken off the cops asked me what happened I told them those fuckers stole my money and jacket!
The cops made them give back my jacket and empty their pockets the fucker that took my money had a roll of notes $240.00 to be exact! The copper made him give me the lot hahahahahahahaha all the way to the bank fuck you very much!!!! Who says the NZ police are pricks they rock!!!!!! Mind you have'nt rode the trains since!

[Mr Merde]

I have been reading this thread with interest.

Some very valid points have been made on both sides of the argument.

With regards to the young chef running away after using the knife, I would like to point out that actually using a knife on another human is a harrowing experience and I can understand the young man running.

Even trained soldiers have a lot of trouble resorting to a weapon such as this.

This is why in bayonet training the soldiers are encouraged to scream and shout whilst sticking the dummy. So that they dont actually think about what they are doing and just do it.

From persons in the army i have met that have actually had to resort to using a blade and talking to them I have had the impression that they are trying hard to forget the experience.

It is a very emotional thing to stab someone. I dont know about here in NZ but friends of mine in the police force in the UK have told me that most murders are domestic and a lot of those involve very passionate emotions and a source of handy knives (ie the kitchen).

This kid must have been under severe emotional turmoil to do what he did, I think i understand his situation but without actually bring there how can we pass judgement upon his emotional state of mind. Fear is a powerful motivator. Adrenilin is a very powerful drug. We are still basically cavemen and the fight or flee reaction is still hardwired into our brains. I can only be thankful that so far in my life i havent been faced with such a decision. I know how I would like to react but can any of us actually be certain.

The "gang" of youths who deliberately set out to terrorise an innocent member of the public because they thought he wore the wrong colour shirt deserve everything they get. They should be prosecuted to the maximun extent that the law can allow or are we all so PC and afraid of our own shadows that we will pander to their hurt bodies and frrlings.

Dont forget that the young chef was released on bail and his name suppressed beacause the courts feared that the "gang' was trying to hunt him down for what he did to their member.

I disagree with some of the expletives used to describe those initially responsible for the situation but I also realise that emotions run strong when faced with this sort of thing and the apparent inability of those we elect or appoint, to do anything about it.

Again fear is a very strong emotion and incidents such as this bring a touch of it to all of us. I bet every one of you has wondered what you would have done if it were you in that situation and every one of you will have come up with a different answer.

We cannot look to the police, the polititians or the courts to protect us. They cant. By their very nature they are reactive not proactive. ultimately it will be down to every individuual to make a decision. I hope in making that decision I never get invited to visit any of you in hospital or hear your eulogies. I also never hope to hear of any of you upon acting upon your decision being vilified for your choice. Self defence is just that. Every persons decision and basic right of self.

I preach, and not too coherantly. For this I appologise but I feel very strongly about such situations.


Mr

[Fatjim]

And don't forget - the chef pleaded guilty to the charge of injuring with intent to cause grevious bodily harm. That means that he doesn't think he has a reasonable chance of convincing a jury that his actions met the simple definition of self defence in NZ law.

I hear a lot of ranting and beating of chests, here, about the wrong done to a guy who's already admitted in Court that he fucked up. Get some perspective, guys.

Since when has pleading guilty meant you did it??? FFS, Get some real life experience.

[jrandom]

Since when has pleading guilty meant you did it???

I don't think there's any doubt about what actually happened.

And if pleading guilty doesn't mean you 'did it', what the fuck else does it mean?

If he and his lawyer thought that he had any real argument against a conviction for injuring with intent, he would have fought the charge.

The only real question, now, is what his sentence will be.

FFS, Get some real life experience.

I'm quite happy to miss out on ever having to consider whether to plead guilty or not...

[Guitana]

Pleading guilty was probably the best option and the judge will definitely take into account the circumstances surrounding the stabbing and meter out a weak sentence like a two hundred dollar fine!!!
As we all know in kiwiland crime does pay and very well if you are well organised!!!!

[davereid]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Mr Merde again.