Chivalry is well and truly dead.

[Indiana_Jones]

Well I believe in Chivalry (to a reasonable degree), I'd give up my seat for a pregnant women or old person.

But didn't those femmist bitches in the 70's want equal treatment?

-Indy

[NordieBoy]

Where have all the REAL MEN gone.

They're out riding at the moment.
Please leave a message and they'll get back to you.

[Fatjim]

I can't believe you've still got the old girl working!

[phaedrus]

...and the comment "I can open my own doors, I'm not handicapped you know". ..

did you say ok, and close the door in front of her?
Damn bizarre, I never had that happen to me, usually just silence and occasionally a thank you for holding the door a little longer.

[crazybigal]

i hold my mrs hair back while she spews in the toilet, does that count?
yeah its a shitty world we live in!!!
maybe those selfish pricks are gettn one back on you for when they have to put up with your screaming kids at the supermarket or at a cafe tryn to have a coffee in peace?

[kro]

I was waiting for this, and personally I think it is a cop out.

Don't get me wrong Deano, a pregnant woman would get my seat on a bus every time, what I'm saying is people are gun shy about chivalry, when it gets responses like I got 6 weeks ago.
I hate the current status quo as much as you, I'm fiercely "old school" in my manners, and hate what the country is about, but the reality is, we are a dying breed mate.
Janno, my chivalristic manner will continue, but I think if the frequency of abuse starts rising, I will re evaluate my standpoint on the idea. I used to get that a fair bit when I lived in Aucks, and love that women down in the South are so much more polite, and still dig the chivalry thing.

Hopefully my case was an isolated one, and so was yours.

[scootnz]

Having had practice at this, the trick is to ask someone specifically if they will let you sit down. Announcing it out loud to everyone does little good - you have to pick someone (an easy target) and ask them to give up their seat.

On buses, any schoolkid will do, since they're supposed to let full fare paying adults sit down anyway.

Not so sure what the train policy is though.

[James Deuce]

If I'd been on the train I would have stood up in an instant mate. Done it before and will do it again.

This is one of those moments where I'm almost sorry I ride the bike to work (naaah ).

[yungatart]

I still don't think decent manners/respect/chivalry is entirely dead, so I will give you another example.
As part of my job, I have to push a girl who is in a wheelchair. Several of our doors at school open outwards and need to be pulled open. There are no latches on these doors to hook them open. It is impossible for me to get her through these doors without some help. I almost never have to ask for it.
Some of the most "riff raff" of our students leap up and hold the door for me!
These kids are 13 -18 y/o!
Please don't lump all kids in to the same basket.

[Deano]

But didn't those femmist bitches in the 70's want equal treatment?

-Indy

They are a minority I'd say.

I can't believe you've still got the old girl working!

I used to know someone who was teaching aerobics classes 1 month before birth and then again a few weeks after.

Her extreme fitness levels helped the birthing process immensely.

i hold my mrs hair back while she spews in the toilet, does that count?

Now that's a real gentleman. My stomach wouldn't allow me to do that - the smell, sight and noise would get me going.

Don't get me wrong Deano, a pregnant woman would get my seat on a bus every time, what I'm saying is people are gun shy about chivalry, when it gets responses like I got 6 weeks ago.
Hopefully my case was an isolated one, and so was yours.

I take your point - the response you got was out of order, and I would hope a very minor percentage of women would feel that way.

Perhaps you could have said to her " I only opened the door for you so I could check out your arse, but now your there I see it wasn't worth the effort......."

[Deano]

I still don't think decent manners/respect/chivalry is entirely dead, so I will give you another example.
As part of my job, I have to push a girl who is in a wheelchair. Several of our doors at school open outwards and need to be pulled open. There are no latches on these doors to hook them open. It is impossible for me to get her through these doors without some help. I almost never have to ask for it.
Some of the most "riff raff" of our students leap up and hold the door for me!
These kids are 13 -18 y/o!
Please don't lump all kids in to the same basket.

Yeah I don't think it is entirely a generation thing. More the set of values and morals that we are taught by our mentors (parents/grandparents etc).

Some of the guys on the train that won't offer their seat are in their 40's, 50's and 60's !!

Back in the eighties when I was at school, we had to give up our seat for an adult because we only paid child/student fares.

[007XX]

sensory "shut down" That seems really logical. It still sucks though. I agree about rural as well.

However logical, people are aware of ti and therefor should try to compensate for it...But it sucks, I agree. I remember living in a farm some years ago, pretty much 1 hour away from everything and thinking"man, this is the life"...Maybe I'm just growing into a cavewoman in my old age!

Now that is great to hear! I almost fell over the other day when a young child stopped and waited for me to walk through the door... so polite and I was hugely impressed.

I don't have children, but I know kids are tough to raise.... good on you for doing so well with your son.

Thank mate...my son is my life and the least I can do is raise him the best I can for bringing him into such an arguably difficult world.

It has been 15 odd years since I was pregnant, but things were not that different back then, even though I live in a small town. Extremely big bellied, standing in a que at the supermarket checkout, the person behind me kept shunting me with her trolley muttering about moving up a bit. I eventually got fed up and turned around to let her see the reason for the gap between me and my trolley. This female did not even have the grace to look abashed when I pointed out that if I could have got closer I would have. Fuken SOAPs.

Sorry that your wife did not get the concern that she should have. Loud protests from other like minded people (us) when we see shit like that might help reverse the trend?

Good manners have gone out the window it seems.

Yeah mate...but then, there are examples of true friendship, valor and beauty....and I think KB is one of them!

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