This is totally repugnant

**doc** · 13th August 2007, 19:32

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

Just this past week I supplied a set of front fork emulators to one of my service agents, for an SV650.

Part of the modification procedure when fitting emulators is to remove the internal damper rods and to overdrill the original damping holes ( and perhaps add more ) so that damping is no longer controlled in that way, the fitted emulator does so.

So the service agent removes the damper rods and hello, they are already overdrilled. The bike had been sold second hand to the unsuspecting rider, therefore the DROP KICK who owned it previously had removed the emulators to resell.

There is something real nasty in human nature that dictates where monetary gain over-rides other peoples safety. The damping control in standard SV forks is already woeful, to effectively make it several times worse ( by removing the emulators for resale ) is morally reprehensible and totally repugnant. And ignorance is no excuse

I hope this same guy doesnt work in the aircraft industry..........

I don't have any problem, you buy second hand its buyer beware. Also fitting emulators is pretty simple I wouldn't pay some one to do it. . So if you found the suspension ok on test ride "what else is going to go wrong with this thing ?

**Pancakes** · 13th August 2007, 19:54

Originally Posted by doc

I don't have any problem, you buy second hand its buyer beware. Also fitting emulators is pretty simple I wouldn't pay some one to do it. . So if you found the suspension ok on test ride "what else is going to go wrong with this thing ?

You want people to demand you pull the forks apart each time they take a gander at a bike your selling? Buyer beware is great to live by if your a repeat dodgy seller making a quick buck and don't give a shit when people get wrapped around poles. I bet when you make a purchase outside of your field of expertise and get bitten you don't just sit on the couch and say you shoulda known better. Hey, there's making a buck and there's making a few more with death as the potential result. I know this is on the interweb and flippant remarks are easily passed but if you really think like that don't go crying cos your mum's front wheel locked on at 100k's cos the seller thought selling to someone who doesn't know better would be more profitable than fixing their car?
I also hope you are a chemist and can test any pills you may need to take as current affairs in China have shown things aren't always what they seem, we all rely on trust to a great extent and are all responsible for the general attitudes like this, NZ is a small place bro.

**doc** · 13th August 2007, 20:03

Originally Posted by Pancakes

You want people to demand you pull the forks apart each time they take a gander at a bike your selling? Buyer beware is great to live by if your a repeat dodgy seller making a quick buck and don't give a shit when people get wrapped around poles. I bet when you make a purchase outside of your field of expertise and get bitten you don't just sit on the couch and say you shoulda known better. Hey, there's making a buck and there's making a few more with death as the potential result. I know this is on the interweb and flippant remarks are easily passed but if you really think like that don't go crying cos your mum's front wheel locked on at 100k's cos the seller thought selling to someone who doesn't know better would be more profitable than fixing their car?
I also hope you are a chemist and can test any pills you may need to take as current affairs in China have shown things aren't always what they seem, we all rely on trust to a great extent and are all responsible for the general attitudes like this, NZ is a small place bro.

Get over yourself "Pal" I'd try to sell it on trademe.

**manwithav8** · 27th August 2007, 21:14

Originally Posted by doc

Get over yourself "Pal" I'd try to sell it on trademe.

Go on, post your trademe user name so none of us have to deal with your crap. I sure as hell wouldn't buy a damn thing off you "PAL"

**doc** · 28th August 2007, 19:38

Originally Posted by manwithav8

Go on, post your trademe user name so none of us have to deal with your crap. I sure as hell wouldn't buy a damn thing off you "PAL"

Exactly the point I'm making if you are going to buy something privately ie. Trademe you have to know what to look for, and also accept possibly that the seller is misrepresenting what you have fallen in love with, especially motorcycle's, people aren't here to look after your interests. If you want guarantees go and pay the premium that a dealer needs to cover issuse's like this (ie Consumer guarantees.) Otherwise get someone who can understand what your buying. The original post seemed to made by a novice who got burned and thought it wasn't his fault. Ok so I'm a dick in your eyes but this is how life is. How many people buy stuff on Trademe then have a problem theythen they check the seller's feedback and find he is dealing from China or something ?

**manwithav8** · 28th August 2007, 20:09

when someone removes an item which deems the part unsafe then that is criminal. If it can be traced back to the person who removed said part, in the case of a fatality then they should be held accountable for nothing less than manslaughter. There are beginners out there, as I am one of those. I am a mechanic by trade which gives me a certain safety aspect of buying privately, and if I am unsure then I seek advice of a specialist. There are those that are less fortunate of having a trade back ground that fall in love with something and go ahead and buy. So why should they be put at risk for somebody else trying to make an extra buck. I still maintain I will never buy anything off you!!!

**doc** · 28th August 2007, 20:17

Originally Posted by manwithav8

. I still maintain I will never buy anything off you!!!

Fair enough but how do you know you haven't already ?

**manwithav8** · 28th August 2007, 20:41

for the sake of being a catty twat. If you think this is a game then your more of a dick than I thought.

I cannot understand how you think the situation that is mentioned in this thread is ok. Bewilders me to think what some will do for a little extra money.

**cowpoos** · 28th August 2007, 22:27

Originally Posted by doc

Fair enough but how do you know you haven't already ?

Originally Posted by manwithav8

for the sake of being a catty twat. If you think this is a game then your more of a dick than I thought.
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Ain't you two just the cutest!! Reminds me off two cows I had once... they both clearly hated each other...and yet would stand next to each other all the time while waiting to be milked...disrupting the rest of them...it used to piss me right the fuck off...so then one day one of the said cows got bloat and died...end of problem!!

Moral of the story...don't guts yourselves of lush white clover!!

**imdying** · 29th August 2007, 10:53

Originally Posted by doc

Fair enough but how do you know you haven't already ?

Originally Posted by manwithav8

for the sake of being a catty twat. If you think this is a game then your more of a dick than I thought.

Maybe somewhat... but he has a point, how do you know that you (or any one of us) hasn't brought something from him, or someone like him? (not saying that everything you sell is dodgy doc, just carrying on the logical extension of your argument)

Doesn't bare thinking about some days

**mogiman** · 29th August 2007, 14:02

After reading every part of this ,And im a kiwi can do guy and riding an 87 gsxr whos front end is bad at the best of times ,would now part with his hard earned very little amount of money that i sometimes get ,
I like to read up and study anything before i do it ,if your read any racing section everyone says to spend money on suspension first you will go faster than if you buy go fast parts ,moto gp you hear them say my set-up was not quite right they dont say my motor wouldnt go fast etc..
So i have changed they way i think about a few things many can still be done the kiwi way, but now my money will go to the right man or woman for the right job
And if that saves me from stacking my bike or saves me just once thats far more worth it

**manwithav8** · 29th August 2007, 19:38

I can see what your saying and also agree.. Who knows if I have bought something off him or not.. But correct me if I am wrong, this thread is about dodgy buggers fiddling with stuff then selling on trying to make extra coin? I am sure it isn't about who has sold what to manwithav8....

That aside, a PM or two have been exchanged and an apology has been made for the name calling... I just think we should stay on topic this time round because it sounds a little serious to hijack .......

**Pixie** · 30th August 2007, 14:24

Originally Posted by Mom

We have just recently replaced both the front and rear suspension on Maha's Triumph. As a result we ended up with some useless/dangerously worn suspension parts, fork springs, spacers, a rear spring etc....... I took them to work and asked my boss if i could dump them in our skip. He said, no sell them on trade me, get some money back!

They are in the skip.

I struggle to believe that people can butcher up a repair that will endanger another persons life, and blithely on sell their handiwork with a grin and a handshake.

Shame on them!!

Carpe Deim
...No ,it isn't latin for "fish of the day"

**Blackflagged** · 29th December 2009, 11:27

Incorrect spring rates, especially to hard.Or adjustable forks with gumed up passages can be just as dangerous, over the right (Wrong) series of bumps.Get them checked and serviced.

**kwaka_crasher** · 29th December 2009, 11:48

Originally Posted by Blackflagged

Incorrect spring rates, especially to hard.Or adjustable forks with gumed up passages can be just as dangerous, over the right (Wrong) series of bumps.

Dreeeeedge!