Police must take some blame, says dead boy's sister

**Pumba** · 13th August 2007, 21:07

Im sorry but this just really pisses me off

see article here http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10457379

The guy made a desicion on his own to run from the police, we ALL know the law and we ALL know what action we are to take when we see the Red and Blues no mater how pissed off or shitting ourselves we are.

This article, and many other comments I have read and herd, make this driver a victim, a victim of police over reaction and almost brutality by chasing him when he DECIDED to run, FFS.

What has happened to this country when we none of us are man (or women, crap ther I go being PC) enough to take responsibility for our own actions.

There are many more examples of this in the media, and we dont even have to go that far from home, do I even mention the 215 pages of crap that is the world famous ATNR thread, of people clearly in the wrong but claiming they are the victim.

YOU DO THE CRIME YOU DO THE TIME.

I feel for this guys family and I am sorry for there loss, he paid the ultimate price for what was a bad decision, but by the very definition of the word decision means he could have made another one that would have had a very different outcome.

RIP the driver.

Rant over, as you were.

**obstacle** · 13th August 2007, 21:10

you know, I was thinking exactly that. I wonder what justification the sister has for that claim? Either way - the guy made a choice to run and he couldn't handle the speeds he ended up doing, it was his choice and it was his fault.

It's still a tragedy but it's nobody else's fault.

**terbang** · 13th August 2007, 21:17

Oh well I guess Charles Darwin was onto something..!

**sunhuntin** · 13th August 2007, 21:18

yup. theres 2 threads on trademe over 100 posts long about this. the number of wankers on there saying its the cops fault is stupid.

he was well old enough to know the law, he thought he could get away. he killed himself and injured a friend in the process. at least he cant breed.

**Zuki Bandit** · 13th August 2007, 21:19

Are the police required to call off the chase at a certain speed, or is it up to their own discretion?

Regardless, if you see those lights spinning behind you, pulling over is the only option.

Thoughts going out to the family.

**scumdog** · 13th August 2007, 21:22

This is the 21st century kidies - no such thing as personal responsibility any more - it's always "somebody elses" fault.

If it had been the dumb-arse sisters car and had been stolen and NOT chased I bet she would have sung a different song.

**Mully** · 13th August 2007, 21:37

I saw the kid's dad on the news last night. Felt really sorry for the guy. He just about begged teenagers not to put their parents through what he was going through.

Then his sister has to start flapping her gums.

Personally, I would have doubted a CRX could do 180km/h.

Oh well, one less fuckwit on the road. Less of my tax dollars spent on this loser.

**mbazza** · 13th August 2007, 21:37

I too, am sick and tired of the rhetoric in relation to the outcome of very bad decisions made by those who run from the cops.
I, nor any one else, but the individual involved chose to flee, therefore they are responsible for the result.
I am also sick and tired of being made to feel responsible for their actions and decisions and the constant refrain that it's the cops fault.
One could blame the video game mentality of no consequences, new game! Or the Fast & Furious type of video where everyone survives a crash.
I do feel very sorry for the loss of another young life and have sympathy for the family.
But I know who bears the responsibility. Not a lot of cheer here!

**deanohit** · 13th August 2007, 21:40

Originally Posted by terbang

Oh well I guess Charles Darwin was onto something..!

Damn right!!! Got no sympathy for the kid or any kids like this.

They all made the decision to run when they were required to stop, EVERYONE knows they have to stop if a cop signals for you to pull over.

It's not a fuckin quiz. I was glad to see the father making it a point for the kids to not put their parents through this insted of calling for heads to roll.

**Manxman** · 13th August 2007, 21:47

...onya Pumba (& everyone else on this thread so far).

It always gets me that in these situations, the cops always get it in the neck sooner or later (it took a little longer than usual this time - 'bout 1/2 a day before the press started calling the cop's tactics into question).

...who would the media (for it is they who promulgate and stir up this PC sh*te...refer to my signature) blame if the cops had decided to let him run, and then he takes out a coupla innocent people just a bit further down the road...sure as hell ain't gonna be the dick who was behind the wheel...it's gonna be the cops who didn't make the effort to stop this 'clearly' dangerous young hoon...

Leave ya with some thoughts:
1) 99% of kiwis say this is the kid's own stoopid fault, so why does cop bashing get so much air time (again, refer to my signature about media);
2) Darwin Theory proved beyond doubt;
3) NZ is the dog in danger (that is, if we're not there already) of being wagged by the tail if PC is not addressed, and people start to have the balls to push back against it.

...here's another one to ponder: apparently it is Muslim awareness week for us kiwis. That's cool, but where's the reciprocation, ie Christian awareness week for Muslims...??? Tail, dog, wagging the?? and why do the majority have to understand/empathise/pander to the minority so much and so often?

RANT OVER// BP back top normal, pulse down to 80bpm//

PS I'm on jury duty next month....do ya think he'll hang

**Mekk** · 13th August 2007, 21:51

But of course blame the cops! They're the media's enemy and who else to get reparations from, Mercury Energy?

It's pretty sad when people only care about responsibility when there's money to gain. The irony blindingly obvious. Even if the cops were in the wrong and apologised, it wouldn't be enough.

After all, being sorry doesn't mean anything without cash to back it up! Right?

**Grahameeboy** · 13th August 2007, 22:01

It was the kids choice to do a runner so he was the author of his death.

However, why do the Police continue these high speed pursuits when there have been enough tragedies to tell them that there is the potential for tragedy.........what is the worst that will happen if they simply err on the side of caution and call off pursuit when the stakes are too high.

I remember before a Maha Ride this cop gives us a friendly chat....."if I see you speeding I am not going to give chase because someone is going to get hurt" he said...............

You only have to watch the American Cop chase shows to see the potential outcomes..........

So what did the cops learn from this? Pursuits are dangerous
So what do 'runners' learn from this? Runners are dangerous
So what was achieved? Nothing

Sometimes 1 plus 1 just does not add up.

**Angusdog** · 13th August 2007, 22:14

I believe from National Radio today that the chase was only 30 seconds old before the crash, so the police are pretty much in the clear.

As for the sister, I doubt she's as, well bluntly, intelligent enough or divorced from the situation to see it with any clarity. She's lost a brother, so not in the best frame of mind.

And anyone who thinks this has nothing to do with video games and movies like Fast & Furious is deluded - in the minds of young men, these stunts are easy, achievable and survivable. This guy now knows otherwise, wherever he ended up.

If you have young guys or girls in your care, talk to them each and every time something like this happens. Make them watch the grieving parents. And let them know you love them. Christ, my heart goes out to the parents every time I hear of something like this, and not how deluded the driver was.

**cowboyz** · 13th August 2007, 22:15

Blah.......

I cant figure out why everyone is so readily blaming police for causing crashes when runners run.

The good news is that he wont be doing it again.

Run out of sympathy on this one.

Added I dont RIP to the driver. How about he rests with the knowledge that he is a dumbarse and causeed hurt and injury to many others due to his own dumb actions which were is own. (theme anyone)

And while we are thinking about the parents I wonder if they ever thought about putting the 'fear of god' into the boy so the thought of doing a runner would have quickly been wiped from his mind.

**ynot slow** · 13th August 2007, 22:15

As I've maintained all along,these dickheads think that the cops will call off pursuit if speeds endanger public,as a consequence the little wankers think if we go fast the cops won't carry on,thus we get away,may work for a mate who brags to the group and away it goes again.Just a shame these loser kids didn't spend as much time in class learning that a license is not a right of passage.And if they can read the news reports or listen to news on radio about the police saying we'll call off chases if there is a risk to public,imagine the knowledge they'd get from school if they paid attention to the teachers,whilst at school.Mind you as seen on the trademe community boards threads sometimes you wonder about the parents buying turbo subarus or mitsy's for the 16-18yr old kids.