Police must take some blame, says dead boy's sister

[caesius]

Compulsory insurance would just add another crime & fine to staple together with the rest.
They have no regard for road safety & rules, no rsepect for themselves and their passengers (mates), they say they love their cars, and they do what to them.

Interesting point I didn't look at it that way.

A year of carnage while the "elite car enthusiasts" get used to the law...after that I'm sure things would settle down somewhat.

If extra laws compound the problem what's the solution? Fewer laws?

[Coldrider]

The only available means to curtail the problem (and I would be a politician here and not present any), would impact on all citizens & impinge on our bill of rights. Which is why no-one is prepared to offer any. We can't single out an age group, the Mayor of Wanganui would have a few fix's I'm sure.

[Coldrider]

And yet another Hastings car chase smash on Monday
http://www.hbtoday.co.nz/localnews/s...ondsubsection=

[scumdog]

Regarding my last post - I was referring to uninsured DRIVERS.

Insurance companies are a business.

If the driver/owner of the car was too much of a risk they would refuse to insure it

No insurance? - you don't get to drive, caught driving uninsured and the car is impounded and sold.

My 2 cents

[Coldrider]

Regarding my last post - I was referring to uninsured DRIVERS.

Insurance companies are a business.

If the driver/owner of the car was too much of a risk they would refuse to insure it

No insurance? - you don't get to drive, caught driving uninsured and the car is impounded and sold.

My 2 cents

Yes I agree but all the fix's are after the event, and the so called boy racers, some of them are not so young, as in, will never 'grow up'.

[Animal]

I've just read the novel I posted yesterday... ! Far canal, I was a helluva lot more drunk than I thought I was. I do apologise!

I share Scumdog's frustrated views on people having the option of doing PD instead of paying fines - and that charge-out rate is ridiculous! What the hell soft-touch bullshit is that? The perpertrators will never learn a thing if that's the worst kind of consequence they're likely to face.

Now that I've sobered up, I actually think there's some merit in yesterday's drunken dirge, particularly in terms of losing your car on the third strike. That would be the kind of consequence that would be felt by young drivers - and older ones who should know better! It would seriously compromise their all-important image, which appears to be such a vital part of the whole sub-culture.

I provide private tuition for tertiary CAD students. A surprising number of them have continued driving their cars, despite being disqualified for a variety of offenses. What the fuck was the point of disqualifying them without taking the car out of the equation too? Impound the car for the duration of the disqualification, and the offender is going to feel the consequence. His mates aren't likely to lend their cars to them and risk facing penalties of their own.

Some will say that will drive car theft right off the scale. I agree, car-less disqualified drivers will probably resort to theft, but the penalty for car theft is a helluva lot more realistic than the fine/PD smack on the hand. Oh, we're not allowed to do that anymore. Oops, mybad!

Rant over.

[Animal]

Shit cad u need to get a bike and get out more...

Ain't that the truth! Unfortunately, I'm not having too much luck finding a woman rich enough to keep me in the lifestyle to which I'd like to become accustomed. Which means I have to keep saving up to buy a new bike myself! So unfair!

[Skyryder]

I still am of the opinion that learner/prabation drivers who are in breach of their licence or have been cought speeding should have govenors's fitted to their cars. This would be a Court ruling. This would stop the high speed chases and save some lives. Any car with such a device would not be allowed on the open road and would have to display a sign that the vehicle has been 'governed.
These guys need to be given a clear message and governor is one way of doing that.

Skyryder

[Animal]

Restricting the subject drivers to cars that don't have the onions to outrun anything would make engine governors unneccessary. A bit like the <250cc and 70kmh limitation learner bikers have to accept as The Law. But I do take your point.

How about different coloured number plates, which will at a glance show the driver's learner / disqualified / governed status. It would still be a huge workload for the cops to randomly pull drivers over to confirm the driver and the plate match statuses... stati... are the same. (Hitcher, help me!)

[scumdog]

They would swap plates and/or use mates cars.

And that's without even thinking of the logistics of administering such schemes.

[McJim]

Build more Jails.

Then make 3rd party insurance compulsory.

Driving without insurance? 3 months inside.
Driving over the limit (alcohol)? 3 months inside.
Running from the cops and getting caught without killing yourself? 6 months inside.
Nicking a car? 1 year inside + court appearance to add on a few years depending on circumstances.

And just to show I'm biased. All traffic offences committed on a bike should be punishable by a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket.

Because the consequences are after the fact there would be a few weeks of busy activity processing the offenders but after that we could start to use the roads properly again without worrying about fucktards with cars.

[kiwi cowboy]

Ain't that the truth! Unfortunately, I'm not having too much luck finding a woman rich enough to keep me in the lifestyle to which I'd like to become accustomed. Which means I have to keep saving up to buy a new bike myself! So unfair!

well when you find here make sure she got a sister and send her my way.
sorry off topic wont do it again.

[Pumba]

sorry off topic wont do it again.

You havent been on here long have you, I mean seven pages of of pretty on topic conversation thats pretty good.

[cowboyz]

Regarding my last post - I was referring to uninsured DRIVERS.

Insurance companies are a business.

If the driver/owner of the car was too much of a risk they would refuse to insure it

No insurance? - you don't get to drive, caught driving uninsured and the car is impounded and sold.

My 2 cents

not a bad idea but crush the car, dont sell it.

I just want to see what happens when Timmay goes up to Dad and says

"Sorry I borrowed your car last night, things got a little out of hand and the police took it off me, but don't worry, they said they would post it back to you in the next few days.

[Grahameeboy]

not a bad idea but crush the car, dont sell it.

I just want to see what happens when Timmay goes up to Dad and says

"Sorry I borrowed your car last night, things got a little out of hand and the police took it off me, but don't worry, they said they would post it back to you in the next few days.

Well in your funny way you are right.....it's parents who normally provide funds for kids to buy these cars so should take some responsibility and take some penalty.

What would be clever is if the Police just sent a photo of a crushed car, let the Dad stew for a week and then send him a bill for a weeks storage.

The only problem with crushing the Dads care is that it could affect his job etc so morally a bit of an issue but just making him think his car had been crushed would be a shock.