Proposed new wet tyre rule

[dangerous]

They said and they were very clear about this, that it will cover "all classes" up to and including Proddy Superbikes, 600 Supersport, Sidecars etc

I to was at the MNZ meeting as F4 president for the BRMC.
Kick is 100% correct... John Hepburn stressed very strongly and repeated himself (altho he admmitted it was a draft copy he was reading from) All classes and its the Stewards decision.


It will be one big fuck up IMHO and will mean if declared a wet race (each race will be declared separately) then there will be a lot of people sitting on pit wall.

[Rashika]

They said and they were very clear about this, that it will cover "all classes" up to and including Proddy Superbikes, 600 Supersport, Sidecars etc

and yep, that was exactly what was said at the meeting, this rule will apply to ALL classes.
The 150s are NOT allowed (at present) to run on anything except treaded tyres, and hense the reason the tyre subject has come up, down here they wish to run on Slicks/cut slicks or wets (to be the same as the other classes).

IMHO MNZ are setting themselves up EVEN in a legal sense. In the present state riders choose, hense the decision rests with them. They (MNZ) are worried that due to the 'Le Race' outcome where the event coordinator was charged and at first convicted on criminal nuisance charges, that they (or their rep the steward) could be similarily charged because they haven't taken enough resposibility to control hazards to their riders.
BUT if they tell a rider what to use (i.e. MUST use wets if race deemed wet) then if someone crashes cos the track dries too quickly, they are (I would guess?) even more liable cos they said you MUST do this.

What ASTOUNDED me at this meeting was the fact that VERY few of the dirt/trail rides EVER scrutineer gear or bikes. Too many bikes they said... WTF? In road riding down here anyway, we are getting everything checked, and now even having tyre choice taken away, and the trail/dirt riders dont even get a helmet check??????????????????? How dangerous is that? and how open to being sued/prosecuted is MNZ for knowingly allowing that to happen?
(Auckland clubs were the exception to this nonscrutineering....On ya guys!!)

As far as I can see (and I'm just a pleb) not scrutineering is far more dangerous than tyre choice

ok that enough from this chick, back to you boys...

[TonyB]

Agree with you there Rashika. How can someone who makes so much sense end up with Dangerous?

[Rashika]

Agree with you there Rashika. How can someone who makes so much sense end up with Dangerous?

cos he needs someone to fix his spelling?

and there are other reasons

[dangerous]

well said Rashika, we should rig up a date or something to dicuss this more, I think we would get on well

As the Bucket Motorcycle Racing Club President I am going to ask all members and other F4/F5 riders to send an email in of your thoughts on this subject and to say what out come you would prefer. ie; for me it should remain the riders choice and/or side with FIM rules.

I ask that any other racing clubs that are reading this thread do the same, as it will affect those that dont use or cant afford two sets of wheels... and what happens if the day is patchy and one race is declared wet the next dry... a fucking lot of time will be spent on wheel changing, I'd sooner be racing.

[scrivy]

This proposed rule is a big load of f@cken crap!!

So if it rains during a dry race, who currently decides if its too dangerous to continue? - the rider does!
I've won races in the rain on slicks, and only been 3 -5 seconds slower a lap than in the dry. I've finished 2nd twice in the GP at Ruapuna on full slicks when most of the top ten were on wets, in the pouring rain.
Certain tracks have more grip than others in the wet.
I for one would rather leave the judgement up to the riders. We are big boys. If we go down in bad conditions, then we should have our butts kicked. We know the consequences. To finish first, you must first finish .... you all know the saying. Ride to the conditions.
For some people/teams that do not have the luxury to be able to change tyres at the drop of a hat, it will just limit them out of various races.
Realistically too, how many people can say they've done extensive testing in the wet? Do the majority of riders feel 100% confident on wet tyres?? I bet if you do a survey of them, they will say NO!! Also, if an 'inexperienced' person was to put on wets, do they then think that they can go harder than another experienced competitor on slicks?? And how many warm-up laps do we give them if all the practices were in the dry??
It wouldn't look any better legally for MNZ either, if someone was killed with wets on but they had never used them before, or were going too hard for their own inexperience!!

Lets leave the rule alone. Surely sensibility must prevail??!!

[dangerous]

Lets leave the rule alone. Surely sensibility must prevail??!!

Sort it out with ya 3 wheeled mates, and send a email to MNZ before it is settled on.

[scrivy]

Sort it out with ya 3 wheeled mates, and send a email to MNZ before it is settled on.

Mates........??????? Divvo and dickless wonder??????

[dangerous]

Mates........??????? Divvo and dickless wonder??????

hahahahahaha... you noticed that aswell

[ajturbo]

on the note about tyres...
one of our vic riders ( steph..who is 20)... has been given a bike to learn on.. she is using it with TT900's on... on sat, she went down twice on the same corner,... read her report...
i am now going to get rid of these tyres...

they will still pass a WOF!!!!!!!!
but they are past thier best.. and yet they are still legal to be used.....

[Tim 39]

when they're new tt900's are shit (in my view) and then when they get old i'd almost rather race on knobblies. They are so unpredictable it's almost impossible to race on them.
That's why I think MNZ were being short sighted when they enforced that rule, and as for this new one they just never cease to amaze me. For the likes of buckets it is absolutely rediculous forcing them to go out on wets rather than slicks, it will almost kill bucket racing because people will turn up and not be able to ride

[scrivy]

Maybe when it rains, we should let the whole field of only novices go out on wets and watch the carnage. That would make MNZ realise that this rule is bollocks!!
My wet tyres were over 11 years old when I stopped racing in '99!! But, I would still be allowed out on them. Would I feel safer on them than having a new sticky slick tyre on? Hell no!!

[Blondini]

.These seem like genuine concerns and I feel you should be heard(But I could be biased)A petition to MNZ expressing your thoughts. perhaps?

[ajturbo]

it will almost kill bucket racing because people will turn up and not be able to ride

unless you come up here and race with us fella's......

we sign a bit of paper that says..
I, andy...XXX take full repsonsiblitly for my choices.....or along those lines...


in other words..

I AM AT FAULT.. if something goes wrong...(if someone crashes into me and i get a sore foot... it was my fault for getting in his/her way...)

I DO NOT blame anyone but MYSELF

(unless i can put the blame onto luke.....)

is that so difficult to understand???

WTF is wrong with the MNZ?.. that they have to be BUTT kissing the lawyers/acc/police... ?

they want to make it harder for us to hoon ....

[scrivy]

Tyre choices now, what's next??

Oh no sir, you must run 34 PSI in your front tyre as its getting colder now..... if you fall off and hurt yourself, we have to have told you to do the right thing...... OK sir????

Or, please make sure you're running a 130 on the front for these conditions...... We have told you.......

Or, your brake fluid must not be more than two meetings old.... very dangerous if not followed......

FFS!! Let us decide ourselves!!