Run for your lives! Here come the vegans.

[Laava]

Oh.....I like where this is all going.....

A friend of mine who was a vegetarian, explained what extra lengths he had to go to just because they gave up eating meat. No big deal really but then he explained how much more difficult it would be to be vegan, mainly just to get the huge protein intake that we humans need. Esp if you are a hardworking male, ie tradesperson. Way I understand it, if you're allergic to nuts, you're fucked!
Oh and then said friends pregnant wife, vegetarian of some years, asked me to go to the gasser and get her some bacon to satisfy her cravings! She ate it straight from the packet like a ravenous wolf and they have never looked back!

[McJim]

Way I understand it, if you're allergic to nuts, you're fucked!

There's always lentils. But they make you fart.

I've made a food choice - I will only eat the meat of Vegitarian animals.

[Grahameeboy]

The kiwi vegetarians that I know certainly do not believe that they can eat fish.

Vegetarians and vegans are both food choices. Vegetarians do not eat flesh.

Vegans do not eat any animal product whatsoever. I will admit that today there is a belief that Vegans do not use any product whatsoever that is a derivitive an an animal process. Leather silk etc. This lifestyle is now associated with vegans. 'Bout as close as I can come to an agreement.

Skyryder

Okay.....Vegans tend to start for moral issues and for some vegeterians it is too. In other words they start by deciding that it is wrong to kill animals for our consumption.

I was a vegeterian for 15 years for health reasons. Started eating chicken when ex was pregnant but have not intentionally eaten red meat or lamb for 20 years.....sometimes my friends forget so I don't impose my taste on them and eat to be polite.

[Skyryder]

There's always lentils. But they make you fart.

I've made a food choice - I will only eat the meat of Vegitarian animals.

Guess that make you a vegetarian once removed.

Skyryder

[Grahameeboy]

You are correct....(this time)

Bling bling bling bling

[MSTRS:Me]

The kiwi vegetarians that I know certainly do not believe that they can eat fish.

Vegetarians and vegans are both food choices. Vegetarians do not eat flesh.

Vegans do not eat any animal product whatsoever. I will admit that today there is a belief that Vegans do not use any product whatsoever that is a derivitive an an animal process. Leather silk etc. This lifestyle is now associated with vegans. 'Bout as close as I can come to an agreement.

Skyryder

Vegetarians do not eat meat. (apart from fish, in some cases). Byproducts (eg. leather, eggs, dairy) are fine.
Vegans will have nothing to do with any part or byproduct of an animal. (I wonder what sort of glues they will use, since so many are created from the likes of horse hooves etc)

[Mr Merde]

If its so wrong to eat animals then why are they made of meat?

[jrandom]

Ho hum.

Personally, I feel privileged to live in a society where obesity has become an 'epidemic'. It's a rare blip on the chart after thousands of years of misery, starvation and rampant infant mortality.

Bring on the motherfucking cheeseburgers and shiraz, I say. Bring 'em on!

And could we please stop electing idiots and then whinging about them?

[Aitch]

I require the help of our Central Government. I make no bones about it. They can't and won't. Don't give me the great lefty lecture. It matters not who is in "power", ordinary people with ordinary needs will not get anything except an ever expanding tax burden.

Now back to the point.

What I eat, or my kids eat is my decision. No one else's. They already get 54% of my income. Yes I know what the income tax says it is supposed to be.

The easiest way to fix the obesity epidemic is to stop the ranting, feminist, vegetarian scaremongers who BELIEVE (Hallelujah Sister!) that every man is a pedophile and a rapist, from insisting that it is unsafe for kids to walk to school and play in a bush reserve with their mates and go to the park or school for a bit of bullrush.

Compulsion is never an answer for anything.

This lot in power (for now) cannot stand the fact that grownups (and some kids) can actually think for themselves, and,even worse, sometimes make good decisions without Aunty Helen and all the other aunties telling us what to think!!!!!

[Mr Merde]

From reading a lot of books, watching a lot of documentarys etc

I understand that the emergence of our species coincided with the development of our brain and all the higher functions that came from that development.

I also understand that the consumption of large amounts of red meat can be directed linked to this growth and development of the brain.

Could this movement towards not eating meat be some sort of longing for a simpler less complicated way of life where one doesnt have to think, be responsible for ones actions. Could this be a yearning for regression rather than progression.
?

My major objection to the food we eat today is the simple fact that it is not what our bodies were designed to exist upon.

As a species we have been on this earth for about 3 million years. Only in the last 500 have we had food production on a scale leading up to what we have today.

Our foods are mass produced facimilies of what almost 3 million years of evolution has decided is best for us.

We are hunter gatherers by selective breeding although so called progressive people would love to argue this point and denythat basic urge in our very nature.

Personall I prefer to eat wild food or what is fashionably coined "organic" food where ever possible as i see it as more in tune with the nature of my body and its needs.

I have listened to the arguments that it is wrong to kill animals for food. What a lot of crap. Animals kill and eat animals, are we any better than them? We have developed higher brain function and therefore can moralise about the fact that we do have to kill to survive, this is what marks us as different from other animals.

We all have the same basic need to survive and pass on our genes as every living thing on this planet. if it takes the fact that to do so it is at the expense of another species then so be it.

Its all very well to pontificate, to expouse your theories, to preach but when it comes down to it the survival instinct is very strong in all of us. How many of these vegans or vegitarians would rather die by starvation rather than make use of any means of survival, including the consumption of animal products. Very few I would guess.

As part of my army training we were given a pet chicken to look after. We fed it, looked after it, kept it well and healthy and when the time came we killed it and ate it. Survival is the name of the game.

A person can choose not to partake of animal products but if everyone followed in their example we would soon be extinct as a species.

Would you turn down the services of a plumber, a doctor, a bikre mechanic because he/she ate meat or used animal products. i doubt it very much.

Hypocracy is very blind.


Merde

[Magua]

I have listened to the arguments that it is wrong to kill animals for food. What a lot of crap. Animals kill and eat animals, are we any better than them? We have developed higher brain function and therefore can moralise about the fact that we do have to kill to survive, this is what marks us as different from other animals.

We all have the same basic need to survive and pass on our genes as every living thing on this planet. if it takes the fact that to do so it is at the expense of another species then so be it.

Moralise that fact that we have to kill to survive? What are your morals for eating red meat? Do we actually need to kill to survive? (I'm not a vegetarian btw).

[Skyryder]

Okay.....Vegans tend to start for moral issues and for some vegeterians it is too. In other words they start by deciding that it is wrong to kill animals for our consumption.

I was a vegeterian for 15 years for health reasons. Started eating chicken when ex was pregnant but have not intentionally eaten red meat or lamb for 20 years.....sometimes my friends forget so I don't impose my taste on them and eat to be polite.

At last someone who knows what they are about. It is precisely becasue of the moral issues that some vegans do not use animal products in their clothing. However a vegan and the original meaning of the word was associated with food, not clothing or anything else.

Skyryder.

[Skyryder]

Vegetarians do not eat meat. (apart from fish, in some cases). Byproducts (eg. leather, eggs, dairy) are fine.
Vegans will have nothing to do with any part or byproduct of an animal. (I wonder what sort of glues they will use, since so many are created from the likes of horse hooves etc)

There is a misunderstanding that vegetarians can eat fish. This is not true. The misunderstanding arose because some people get confused between meat and fish. They assume that because vegetarians do not eat meat then they can eat fish. Both are flesh. You can not be a vegetarian if you eat animal flesh. Period. There are no in-betweens on this.

Skyryder

[The Pastor]

actually the new system has a few very good points. It would be a good way of finding out on what is healthy - so much "healty food" is really bad for you, but you don't know because its 99% fat free and "5 essentail vitams etc etc.

cuts through the advertising bs. You can still buy what ever you like, just now you know if its bad for you or good.

The food industy hates it because you will see how bad items really are for you.

[MSTRS:Me]

So a 'vegetarian' who chooses to eat fish is just 'playing at it'. I didn't define the terms. There are those that choose not to eat meat (mammalian) because they do not like the texture/flavour, but fish is OK by them. They still call themselves vegetarian.