Run for your lives! Here come the vegans.

[Hitcher]

Hitcher - I am shocked...

Have you never watched Austin Powers and noted that "evil" is mere milquetoast in comparison to the more sinister and brooding "evel"?

[MSTRS:Me]

Have you never watched Austin Powers and noted that "evil" is mere milquetoast in comparison to the more sinister and brooding "evel"?

Mere self-aggrandising justification for what was a simple spelling error...

[Mr Merde]

Mere self-aggrandising justification for what was a simple spelling error...

But surely in the light of todays modern thinking its not the actual spelling thats important but the fact that you convey a semblance of your meaning.

One should not be judged upon the exactidudes of ones work but on the work as a whole entity.

[ManDownUnder]

But surely in the light of todays modern thinking its not the actual spelling thats important but the fact that you convey a semblance of your meaning.

One should not be judged upon the exactidudes of ones work but on the work as a whole entity.

Not according to Freud... anything that could be construed as Anal obviously has a serious under pinning demonstrating an unrealised longing to aquaint one's self with the paternal botty hole... or something.

Or, you could take my approach and simply take horse shit as something fun to shoot at.

[Mr Merde]

Not according to Freud... anything that could be construed as Anal obviously has a serious under pinning demonstrating an unrealised longing to aquaint one's self with the paternal botty hole... or something.

Or, you could take my approach and simply take horse shit as something fun to shoot at.

Point taken.

Shooting at horse shit. Would need a large bore as a .17 wouldnt even make a splash.

Nice one MDU

[ManDownUnder]

Point taken.

Shooting at horse shit. Would need a large bore as a .17 wouldnt even make a splash.

Nice one MDU

An M107 manure spreader... sounds like fun....

[Bass]

Right,
Just to get back to somewhere near the topic.........I have worked in and around the meat industry for several years and I do enjoy a good steak. However, I strongly suspect that the ranks of vego's of all sorts would be considerably swelled if, before we were allowed to partake of said flesh, we were obliged to spend a couple of hours in a beef slaughterhouse. I say a beef slaughterhouse because it is just so much more graphic. However if you want poignant, then nothing beats an old-style pork slaughterfloor. Old-style because nowadays they gas the beasts and it's a relatively quiet affair.

[MSTRS:Me]

An M107 manure spreader... sounds like fun....

In our metricated land of oppurtunity, perhaps http://www.military.com/soldiertech/...XM109,,00.html would be better?

[Ocean1]

True, it's hypocritical to eat meat if you’re not prepared to do what’s necessary to get it. A lesson I was taught early (and graphically) by a farming uncle.

Doesn’t mean you have to slaughter all you eat, just that you can.Those that can’t can sneak up on whatever shrub takes their fancy and call that dinner.

[Dilligaf]

True, it's hypocritical to eat meat if you’re not prepared to do what’s necessary to get it. A lesson I was taught early (and graphically) by a farming uncle.

Doesn’t mean you have to slaughter all you eat, just that you can.Those that can’t can sneak up on whatever shrub takes their fancy and call that dinner.

Eh? I can't build a house either, does that mean I am not allowed to live in one?
I can't build a motorbike or a car... again should that preclude me from owning one?
I could go on and on about the things that I can pay someone else to make for me but what's the point?

Disagree with your idea totally...

[Ocean1]

Eh? I can't build a house either, does that mean I am not allowed to live in one?
I can't build a motorbike or a car... again should that preclude me from owning one?
I could go on and on about the things that I can pay someone else to make for me but what's the point?

Disagree with your idea totally...

No worries mate, fill yer boots.

I also procure such services, although I did build my house and have built bikes and cars. Like you I'm free to pursue what ethical behaviours my concience can afford, I won't ask someone else to do what I won't.

[Bass]

Eh? I can't build a house either, does that mean I am not allowed to live in one?
I can't build a motorbike or a car... again should that preclude me from owning one?
I could go on and on about the things that I can pay someone else to make for me but what's the point?

Disagree with your idea totally...

I think that you completely miss the point.

I have no doubt that you have walked around a building site.
You may even have spent some time in a car plant or more likely, an engineering workshop. As a consequence, it is quite likely that you have some personal experience of what must be done to build a house or a car.
At the very least, you will have seen samples of these activities on television.

This is true for for a great many people - perhaps even a majority.

Have you any personal experience of what must be done to put meat on your plate? Have you ever walked down a slaughterfloor? It's a completely different type of activity - production line dismantling of animals. It is different enough that for some people, it has moral ramifications.
You are choosing to ignore that. It could be said that (mind, I don't know you and so am not making any accusations here) your attitude is, you are happy to hire someone else to do your dirty work - work which you don't have the guts (pardon the pun) to do yourself.

[007XX]

True, it's hypocritical to eat meat if you’re not prepared to do what’s necessary to get it. A lesson I was taught early (and graphically) by a farming uncle.

Doesn’t mean you have to slaughter all you eat, just that you can.Those that can’t can sneak up on whatever shrub takes their fancy and call that dinner.

I like the point you're making here...Funnily enough, my granfdfather had a similar mentality as your uncle.
If you're not prepared to kill it, gut it and clean it, then you really should consider sucking on grass...

So I have killed bunny wabbits, young deers and broken the neck of a chook or two...

Is it PC for me to state this so bluntly? Definitely not...

But what i can say is this: I did not take any pleasure in doing it, I did it as humanly as I could and treated the animal with respect.

And if tomorrow our society goes down the gurgler, and humanity goes back to Caveman days, the odds are my family and I will know how to survive without cheeseburgers.

[Dilligaf]

I think that you completely miss the point.


Have you any personal experience of what must be done to put meat on your plate? Have you ever walked down a slaughterfloor? It's a completely different type of activity - production line dismantling of animals. It is different enough that for some people, it has moral ramifications.
You are choosing to ignore that. It could be said that (mind, I don't know you and so am not making any accusations here) your attitude is, you are happy to hire someone else to do your dirty work - work which you don't have the guts (pardon the pun) to do yourself.

No you're right, I have never been in a production slaughter house. I have however, been there when pigs have been butchered (wild pigs, already dead, hanging from trees butchered).
What I don't get is I gather from your posts that you either think that most meat buyers don't know how the meat got into those packages in the supermarket or you think they do know but shouldn't eat it if they don't have the guts (there we go again lol) to do it themselves...
Your linking the idea that if people wouldn't slaughter an animal themselves, then they shouldn't eat meat seemed a bit odd. I enjoy many things that I could not or would not do myself.
I'm not trying to argue or be difficult here, but I see no difference in not having the skill or inclination to knit a jumper but happy enough to pay someone else to have done it, or loving bacon but not going out to watch the piggy personally give his body for my enjoyment or indeed kill the thing myself... that's all. I sometimes use public toilets but wouldn't want to clean them myself either... lol

[Hitcher]

For many reasons it makes no sense for people to be required to kill and butcher meat for themselves and their family's consumption or even to have "hands on" experience of such practices. It's a bit like arguing that people should know how to grow their own vegetables.

Do people have a "moral" responsibility to be reminded where their food comes from and the basis by which it was produced? Only if they so choose. It's a personal choice.

Should food production systems be a part of the core educational curriculum? Absolutely, provided that the curriculum is based on sound science with due regard for welfare and sustainability issues associated with the production of food for human consumption.

Should all food production systems be transparent and subject to scrutiny to ensure compliance with food safety and other standards that society mandates? Most definitely.

And what should those standards be? Only ones that are based on sound science with due regard for the welfare and sustainability of all involved.