Looks like 80 dont work either

[Pwalo]

The problem is that you're assuming the asshats crossing the centre line aren't aware of what they're doing - a lot of them are running ragged across lanes because they're going too fast, or passing where they shouldn't.

Hopefully if there was something that was going to hit their beloved cage they'd ease off. Might be a bit scary on the old bike though!

Good to see the old chestnut about excessive speed being raised. The reality is that we all need to ride/drive to the prevailing conditions. Sometimes it just isn't safe to do the listed speed. Speed is great, excessive speed's just taking the piss sometimes.

[Lou Girardin]

You really are getting desperate. If speed was a factor does that mean that it was the ultimate cause? No! It means it was a factor, something that contributed to the cause of the crash or the damage done in the crash.

But you just hear what you want to hear and have the audacity to accuse the police as an organisation, all 7000 or so of them of having brain cell damage.

Thank you, you've just proved my point.
Read the post c a r e f u l l y. I did write 'some' Or do you only see what you want to see.
Saying factor is just using weasel words, the impression your masters clearly want to give is that speeding (exceeding the speed limit) kills.
Do you get extra pay for trying to defend them?
Lou

[spudchucka]

Thank you, you've just proved my point.
Read the post c a r e f u l l y. I did write 'some' Or do you only see what you want to see.
Saying factor is just using weasel words, the impression your masters clearly want to give is that speeding (exceeding the speed limit) kills.
Do you get extra pay for trying to defend them?
Lou

Al right if you want to be a picky pratt, as usual, the word "some" was used by you in this line,

I thought that when they got rid of the old Police helmets, the incidence of brain cell damage through overheating was reduced.
In some cases, it appears not.

where it is clearly included in a statement intended only to take the piss and proves nothing other than the fact that your head is firmly planted up your own arse.

The Oxford dictionary defines "factor" as "one of several things that cause or influence". Does that meaning somehow change when it comes from the vocal cords of a person that happens to wear a police uniform?

Regardless of whatever BS you want to spout on about anyone with at least half a normal dose of common sense can see that speed is always going to be a relevant FACTOR in the causes of and damage done in motor vehicle crashes.

No I don't get extra pay for defending them, shame though because your mindless drivel would eventually make me a millionaire.

[scumdog]

Thank you, you've just proved my point.
Read the post c a r e f u l l y. I did write 'some' Or do you only see what you want to see.
Saying factor is just using weasel words, the impression your masters clearly want to give is that speeding (exceeding the speed limit) kills.
Do you get extra pay for trying to defend them?

Lou

None of us have to "defend" our "masters" Lou,stop trolling !!! anyway "it's the law", go argue with those that make it and get it changed OR take the consequences if you break the law as it stands - your choice .

Never felt guilty or had any loss of sleep for the tickets I've issued and I bet none of the others do so best you find another windmill to joust against Don Lou. :spudwave:

Oh, does exceeding the speed limit NEVER kill?? :spudwhat:

[Marmoot]

this debate proves to be quite hard even for the skilled die-hard jehovah's witness debater

[Hitcher]

this debate proves to be quite hard even for the skilled die-hard jehovah's witness debater

Yea, verily. Where more than one of ye shall be gathered in fervent discussion, ye shall henceforth be known as massed debaters!

[marty]

speed was a factor, as was probably alcohol, drugs, previous convictions, his childhood, etc etc. what killed him though was hitting a tree at SPEED, not at DRUGS, or at ALCOHOL.....

[Lou Girardin]

Isn't life very simple when you see it in black and white. But it does seem that issues such as mass public manipulation zoom straight over some heads. Then again, how do you live with yourself in these days of enforced near-zero tolerance unless you do convince yourself that your masters are correct.
Saying X was a factor is meaningless unless you mention all the other factors and their relative importance.
Even the redoubtable Mr Knackstedt of the LTSA was quoted as saying that they know fatigue is a major factor in fatals, but because it's not tied to an enforcement regime they are not going to emphasise it. (That means no revenue = no publicity)
You only need to look a short time in the past to see the progression from drink driving as the big killer, (which I do agree with) to speed being the No 1 demon. Of course, as in the UK and Aust. the figures had to be 'massaged' to give the "30% of fatal accidents are caused by excessive speed" mantra.
Funny how the same techniques are used in diferent countries. Orwellian?
And Spud, it seems from your posts, that the reason you love your job so much is that you always try to get the last word, ( a ticket). Your lack of a rational argument is displayed by your constant resort to abuse. Not only to me, but to everyone you don't agree with.
It's not an encouraging sign. Stress is far too common in your job.
Chill out, have a laugh. Lifes too short to take so seriously.

[marty]

oh he's laughing alright lou.

[spudchucka]

And Spud, it seems from your posts, that the reason you love your job so much is that you always try to get the last word, ( a ticket).

You're a great pot for calling the kettle black. I don't write many tickets actually, you just assume that I do, like you assume so many other things too.

Your lack of a rational argument

Your narrow minded outlook and inability to mask your irrational hatred for police makes any arguement you put forward a simple smear attack on the integrity of all police officers.

is displayed by your constant resort to abuse. Not only to me, but to everyone you don't agree with.

If calling a spade a spade and bullshit bullshit them I'm guilty as charged. But I haven't abused anyone, you'll know when I'm abusing you. I'll admit to trading insults with your borish self however.

It's not an encouraging sign. Stress is far too common in your job.

What would you actually know about being a police officer in todays society??? Nothing! So don't presume to be an expert just because you were once a traffic cop.

Chill out, have a laugh. Lifes too short to take so seriously.

Again you make presumptions. You speak as if you actually know something about me. I'm very relaxed, having a great time and I piss myself silly most times that I read anything wrtten by you. You should take your own advice my friend and not take things so seriously.

[scumdog]

Isn't life very simple when you see it in black and white. But it does seem that issues such as mass public manipulation zoom straight over some heads. Then again, how do you live with yourself in these days of enforced near-zero tolerance unless you do convince yourself that your masters are correct.
Chill out, have a laugh. Lifes too short to take so seriously.

And your ideas on how to keep people to a reasonable speed is????

It's not neccessary to "convince ourselves our masters are correct", it's the Law so we uphold it, don't like it? - change it or piss off to a country where the law suits you ideas.

Or is this just yet another 'troll'?

Have a nice day

[MacD]

Nice troll Lou - a bit puerile though even for you!!

Surprisingly a lot of the public think "speed as a factor" or "excessive speed" mean exceeding the speed limit! - like when a guy low sides into an oncoming truck because he went into a 55km corner at about 80km on a wet road, you would be surprised at the number of people that'll say "but it's the open road and he was only doing 80km so how can they blame speed?" like, DUH!!!!

I'm sure you know the reason for this!? It's because this is the exact logic that the LTSA promotes when they use statistics regarding "speed as a factor" in accidents to support the strict enforcement of "speed limits". In other words the message people get is that 99kmh = safe, 101kmh = killer. That's the problem with the simplistic ad campaigns we see at the moment. No emphasis on appropriate speed, just speed limits. Also pictures of police hiding in bushes with laser guns in order to catch people exceeding the speed limit rather than patrolling looking for inappropriate driving behaviour further reinforces this view.

[MacD]

It's not neccessary to "convince ourselves our masters are correct", it's the Law so we uphold it, don't like it? - change it or piss off to a country where the law suits you ideas.

I think Lou is already trying the first option. I guess that's the nice thing about a democracy, you can try and get laws changed - even if other people seem to disagree with Lou's methods in this case!?

Also I must admit I start to get a bit edgy when I see members of agencies such as the Police start to pull out the old "we don't make the laws, we only enforce them" - that's heading down the "only following orders" path, isn't it?

Now was that a troll or is that something worth thinking about?

[scumdog]

I'm sure you know the reason for this!? It's because this is the exact logic that the LTSA promotes when they use statistics regarding "speed as a factor" in accidents to support the strict enforcement of "speed limits". In other words the message people get is that 99kmh = safe, 101kmh = killer. That's the problem with the simplistic ad campaigns we see at the moment. No emphasis on appropriate speed, just speed limits. Also pictures of police hiding in bushes with laser guns in order to catch people exceeding the speed limit rather than patrolling looking for inappropriate driving behaviour further reinforces this view.

You have a damn good point! Trouble is a lot of "the public" are too damn stupid to know when to blow their nose let alone figure out when it is safe to do a particular speed, hence the govt. does its best to cope for these bozos by posting speed limits suitable for them (most of the time) and the rest of us have to fall into line :spudwhat:

[Velox]

You've got to admit - there are a lot more 'factors' for most of the accidents, it's just that speed is the current campaign push and so it's mentioned every time everytime an accident is reported - even if it was not a factor. It's a kind of blatant socialisation, but that's what it's meant to be (ie. it's not that the cops are being 'cunning' or anything - they're "raising awareness"). It's interesting though seeing how it all works - the media purposefully mentions 'speed' in every accident report and people begin to think that the two can't be separated. An interesting case-study for how to manipulate society's thinking!
(I'm not saying it's all crap - just that a lot of it is pretty over the top).