Looks like 80 dont work either

[rodgerd]

And your ideas on how to keep people to a reasonable speed is????

Why would you want Lou's advice? Far more people were getting killed on the roads when he was in the job.

[marty]

well the roads were MUCH more dangerous back then

[spudchucka]

It's interesting though seeing how it all works - the media purposefully mentions 'speed' in every accident report and people begin to think that the two can't be separated. An interesting case-study for how to manipulate society's thinking!

The media do this all the time. Whenever there is a nasty homicide the media beats it up to the point where people start to believe that extreme violence is out of control. Thats just one example but as I said they do it all the time.

[merv]

With the media the trouble is headlines are headlines and whatever it is, its what sticks out on the day, but in the total scheme of life many of these things in truth are a drop in the bucket no matter how exaggerated they are.

If they wanted to they could scare everyone out of Wellington with earthquake warnings now that Lynda has told us about this morning's one.

Then the killer highway would kill as everyone streamed out of town - or would it? Because no one would be going the other way.

[MD]

Time to drag this thread back on course. I may be wrong but I think the last 3 fatal crashes involved the southbound vehicle crossing the centreline. Wonder what the stats show on this over the past few years. I do the trip in the car a fair bit and I know I drive out of Wgtn nervous as and pay attention but coming home its a different story, tired, less attentive, just want to get home syndrome. Anyway, seven dead in seven months is out of control and one was a good workmate of mine. Yes its true its always been one of the drivers fault but there is no, just add water and mix, instant, nationwide cure to poor driving. There is however, a 'just add water and mix' concrete solution- widen the road and give the innocent victims an escape route.
If LTSA/Transit can find stats showing its a southbound car issue then they will simply solve the problem by creating a special tax on southbound vehicles. Anything but spend money to fix the bloody road that must somehow be contributing to these terrible unnecessary deaths
MD.

[rodgerd]

The media do this all the time. Whenever there is a nasty homicide the media beats it up to the point where people start to believe that extreme violence is out of control. Thats just one example but as I said they do it all the time.

It's a case of whatever sells. People seem to enjoy picking up the paper and given a fright about "carjackings" or "home invasions" or whatever.

[rodgerd]

Yes its true its always been one of the drivers fault but there is no, just add water and mix, instant, nationwide cure to poor driving.

No, but given the drop-off in fatalities in the last 20 odd years, at least some of the changes since I started driving - graduated licensing, drink-driving enforcement, speed enforcement, better cars, tighter WOFs - must be having a good, positive influence. Sadly, we're retreating from that with the alochol lobby trying to wind back enforcement on liquor law enforcement or entending them, and compulory retesting coming under fire from Grey Power.

There is however, a 'just add water and mix' concrete solution- widen the road and give the innocent victims an escape route.

Well, just add water and tens or hundreds of millions of dollars, plus the cacophany of whining that will occur when the works are going on. Then we'll hear the bitching about taxes and road works. Everyone wants to go to heaven, no-one wants to die.

[Blakamin]

Well, just add water and tens or hundreds of millions of dollars, plus the cacophany of whining that will occur when the works are going on. Then we'll hear the bitching about taxes and road works. Everyone wants to go to heaven, no-one wants to die.

Yesterdays kapiti news stated that many people want to build a new seawall, fill in the gap and put 2 lanes on it. at a cost of $100m and 2 years, thus keeping what we have for at least the next 2 years.. where as transmission gully is 10 times that price and 5 times as long...
Unfortunately, none of this can be started until October next year due to the fact finding mission they just started....
A year. for someone to tell them that people die..... well done. idiots

(all the above is from memory so don't quote me on prices)

[Deano]

*sigh* yet another one...

Time to get rid of that island - its just too damn distracting.

Go the Paekakariki Rd instead.

This stupid bitch in a cage was admiring the view from the top of Peakak hill last weekend - you think she would have stopped at the lookout, but no, she decides its much safer to just slow right down and meander to the left of the (narrow) road, no indication , nothing...