Stop Messin Around Wid De Clox!!

[k14]

Yeah I reckon daylight saving is great. I saw on the news (i think it was) that when it was bought in there were massive protests etc, couldn't see the point. Its definately the best method to do things.

Wasn't the first reason it was bought in to save power??

[Marknz]

I loathe Daylight Saving with a passion. It is a ridiculous contrivance, born of a half-assed idea that Dairy farmers might like more daylight in the evening. They don't and they don't like it either.

I messes up my body clock (it's all about me), and makes me grumpy until I get my extra hour of sleep at the other end of the process. I have two kids who are massively grumpy because of the change in routine. Whihc makes me more grumpy. I then get told to stop being so grumpy, whihc makes me grumpy, which makes my wife grumpy too.

Summer sucks.

and then you get on your bike and it's all good huh?

[Slim]

I love daylight savings too. I am also not a morning person, and love having the extra hours in the afternoon/evening to get out on my bike after w*rk. At the height of summer I can finish at 3pm and get over 6 hours of riding in before the sun goes down. Dinner in Taupo anyone?



All this talk of daylight savings fucking up your body clock is bollocks, btw.

And if you have problems with your kids not going to sleep in the evening, get some blackout/thermal backing on their curtains.

[Skyryder]

Daylight saving has got to be one of the biggest consumer cons of all time. Not only is it bad for the health and a safty risk for us bikers due to sleep deprivation, http://www.sleepfoundation.org/press...ylight_sav.cfm

The real reason has nothing to do with giving you more leisure time but everthing to to with giving you 'more spending time.'

You have to get up an hour earlier, that's an hours less sleep everday from the first Sunday in October each year and would cease at 2.00am Standard Time on the third Sunday in March of the following year. This equates to a loss of 168 hours of sleep over the daylight saving period. And this loss is not harmfull?? Yea give me a Tui's. Right. And to think that the New Zealand public has been conned into believing that there is no health issue involved or economic factors in daylight saving.

This from http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/moments/s689016.htm

But another angle to the daylight saving discussion is "sleep". Over the last 10 years, our working hours have increased by 10%. Many of us are permanently sleep-deprived, and never wake up feeling rested. We also know that disrupted circadian rhythms (which happen to shift workers who continually change their shift) and insufficient sleep, cause major health problems, as well as financial costs. In 1988, the cost of accidents that were related to sleep problems, amounted to more than $US 56 billion. As a result of these sleep-related accidents, in 1988, about 25,000 people died, and 2.5 million people suffered disabling injuries. Some major accidents which have been linked to insufficient sleep and/or disrupted circadian rhythms, include the destruction of the space shuttle Challenger, the nuclear accident at Chernobyl, and the oil spill catastrophe from the supertanker, Exxon Valdez.

Currently, about 25 countries shift to daylight saving time every spring, and the next autumn, return to their standard time. Each time they shift into daylight saving, everybody loses one hour of sleep time. And when they shift out of daylight saving time into standard time, everybody gets one extra hour of sleep time in the morning.

Stanley Coren, from the University of British Columbia, decided to see whether the change-over, into, and out of, daylight saving, had any effect on traffic accidents. He and his team had access to the data on some 1.4 million accidents that were reported to the Canadian Ministry of Transport for the years 1991 and 1992. They looked at the accidents that happened on the Monday before the changeover, and the Monday immediately after.

They found that when Canada went into daylight saving in the springtime, there was an 8% increased risk of accidents on the Monday after the changeover.

But when people had one hour's extra sleep (when they shifted out of daylight saving back into normal time), there was an 8% fewer risk of traffic accidents.

It seems as though the change in accident rates is mainly related to getting more or less sleep, rather than interfering with the circadian rhythms. In other words, getting one hour's less sleep, can increase our chances of a car accident the next day by 8%.

Apart from all the arguments about daylight saving fading the curtains and annoying the cows, maybe the real lesson is for us to get more sleep.


© Karl S. Kruszelnicki Pty Ltd

[Oscar]

I dunno 'bout all that - but the extra daylight is making the curtains fade...

[Slim]

You have to get up an hour earlier, that's an hours less sleep every day from the first Sunday in October each year and would cease at 2.00am Standard Time on the third Sunday in March of the following year. This equates to a loss of 168 hours of sleep over the daylight saving period. And this loss is not harmfull?? Yea give me a Tui's. Right. And to think that the New Zealand public has been conned into believing that there is no health issue involved or economic factors in daylight saving.

Read your source material more closely. We lose an hours sleep ONCE, not an hours sleep EVERY NIGHT AFTER THE CHANGE.

Each time they shift into daylight saving, everybody loses one hour of sleep time. And when they shift out of daylight saving time into standard time, everybody gets one extra hour of sleep time in the morning.

Stanley Coren, from the University of British Columbia, decided to see whether the change-over, into, and out of, daylight saving, had any effect on traffic accidents. He and his team had access to the data on some 1.4 million accidents that were reported to the Canadian Ministry of Transport for the years 1991 and 1992. They looked at the accidents that happened on the Monday before the changeover, and the Monday immediately after.

Disrupting circadian rhythms for the entire Daylight Savings period, my arse. The reason they have the changeover on a Saturday night/Sunday morning is so you can get that extra hours sleep on Sunday morning & get to bed at the proper time on Sunday night so that you're "up & at 'em" on Monday for work. If you've got sport or church or something on Sunday morning & you're not smart enough to get yourself to bed a bit earlier Saturday night, then it's your own stupid fault.

I lucked out this year. Night shift on the change to Daylight Savings meant I worked 7 hours but was paid for 16 and I didn't have any "disruption" to my sleep patterns outside what's already happening because I'm a shift worker.

[Hoon]

Bah more traffic accidents due to sleep deprivation what a load of crap....pointless anyway because according to that theory then there must be less accidents when we change back from the extra hours sleep so the net result is still the same.

Sleep deprivation is a by product of the society we live in. We choose to work longer to make more money....even if somehow we were allocated more hours for rest, we would probably opt to use them to make even more money instead just like we have with weekends and public holidays.....ahhh isn't capitalism great???

[Skyryder]

Read your source material more closely. We lose an hours sleep ONCE, not an hours sleep EVERY NIGHT AFTER THE CHANGE.)

Let's see if I can make this clear. Clocks go forward one hour, stay forward one hour, until they go back one hour. You have one hour more daylight in the eveing and as a result of this xtra hour you are in bed one hour later. So in effect you are losing one hour in the evening every evening.

Now as the clock has been put forward, this means the next day you have to get up an hour earlier; in the dark. So it could be argued that instead of loosing one hours sleep you are loosing two.

Skyryder

[Storm]

Extra daylight is all good. It usually only takes me an day or two to change my sleep rythms over, so I dont worry about it all the time. I dont need the sun shining in my window at o dark hundred in the morning, but I DO need it when I want to go for a decent ride after work. Anyway, we live in NZ, so if you are angry about losing 1 or 2 hours sleep, just make a claim on the time and sue the government

[Slim]

Let's see if I can make this clear. Clocks go forward one hour, stay forward one hour, until they go back one hour. You have one hour more daylight in the eveing and as a result of this xtra hour you are in bed one hour later. So in effect you are losing one hour in the evening every evening.

Now as the clock has been put forward, this means the next day you have to get up an hour earlier; in the dark. So it could be argued that instead of loosing one hours sleep you are loosing two.

If your sleep patterns are controlled by the clock, as most working peoples are, then you only lose an hours sleep once a year..

EG:

I go to bed at 10pm standard time & get up at 7am standard time during the winter. That's 9 hours sleep. Wow. 9 hours! It always feels like 4 hours sleep.

Anyway.

On the evening of the change over, I go to bed at 10pm, the clocks move forwards while I'm sleeping, and I get up at 7am. That's 8 hours sleep. Only it hardly ever happens like that. If you're like me, you change the clocks forward before you go to bed if you've got something on in the morning, or after you get up Sunday at 10-11am-ish.

Anyway again.

During Daylight Saving, I go to bed at 10pm, which is at least half an hour after the sun goes down when it gets to the longest day later in the summer, and I get up at 7am. That's, ummm, ..... Slim gets out her calculator ...

NINE hours sleep!


Then you do the whole reverse thing & gain back an hour of sleep when we change back to standard time again in March.



The total hours of daylight each day will get longer from the Spring Equinox onwards (which happened prior to the clock change), whether we change the clocks or not. Changing the clocks is simply a way to more efficiently use the available hours of daylight during the summer, giving us more useable leisure time. Or, if you're cynical, give us more usable spending hours.

Every time an alarm clock goes off to wake you from sleep, you're fucking with your Circadian Rhythms. Don't blame it on Daylight Savings, blame it on our Capitalist society.

[Redstar]

Its great I can get home and its still light

[F5 Dave]

Let's see if I can make this clear. Clocks go forward one hour, stay forward one hour, until they go back one hour. You have one hour more daylight in the eveing and as a result of this xtra hour you are in bed one hour later. So in effect you are losing one hour in the evening every evening.

Now as the clock has been put forward, this means the next day you have to get up an hour earlier; in the dark. So it could be argued that instead of loosing one hours sleep you are loosing two.

Skyryder

Haha, that’s funny. I’ve been to Christchurch on numerous occasions so I know they have electricity, so obviously you are taking the piss.

-Slim I think he is just winding you up, Nobody is that dim.

'Loosing two' comic genius! The clue is in the spelling as well.

[vifferman]

I donnot understand all the ansers here. It doesnot effect me as I do not follow the clock but jst do my work when it needs doing. There is no more hours of daylight and the day is not longer so it doesnot matter.

[F5 Dave]

First sensible thing I’ve read for ages.

[Eddieb]

It is a ridiculous contrivance, born of a half-assed idea that Dairy farmers might like more daylight in the evening. They don't and they don't like it either.

Not quite accurate...

"Although "daylight saving time" was mentioned by Benjamin Franklin in a humorous essay in 1784, the real credit for it has to be given to a little-remembered London builder, William Willett (1865-1915). As he was taking an early morning a ride through Petts Wood, near Croydon, Willett was struck by the fact that the blinds of nearby houses were closed, even though the Sun was fully risen.

In his pamphlet "The Waste of Daylight" he wrote:

"Everyone appreciates the long, light evenings. Everyone laments their shortage as Autumn approaches; and everyone has given utterance to regret that the clear, bright light of an early morning during Spring and Summer months is so seldom seen or used".

His campaign led to the introduction of British Summer Time in an Act of Parliament in 1916. Clocks were put one hour ahead of GMT during the Summer months. The energy saving benefits of this were recognised during World War II, when clocks were put two hours ahead of GMT during the Summer. This became known as Double Summer Time. During the war, clocks remained one hour ahead of GMT throughout the winter.

It was during the Big War (World War I) that daylight saving time was adopted by several countries. The reason was that the clocks were moved forward by an hour, thus saving fuel that would be necessary to produce light in the late hours of the day. It was during another war, World War II, that United States kept time one hour ahead of the default standard time (from February 9th, 1942 to September 30th, 1945). During that period no changes to the time were done during the summer months.