Pakeha

[avgas]

I'm wondering if the people who use the word pakeha in a negative way would actually be on a forum like this? More than likely their reading level is that of a year 6 ? So its all a bloody waste of time anyway. Gaz.

Oh thats a bit harsh - haven't you seen their Bebo sites.....ha

[avgas]

To be a pakeha do you need to be a New Zealander/Kiwi or just white?

Nah - just not maori, pasific islander, chinese or venetian. Everyone else is either Pakeha or Half Spanish white.
Maori is M5, L2 and B1.5 per 250ml of Dulux X10 Ebony.
I hope this clears everything up for people.

[H00dz]

I choose to label myself as New Zealander. I believe that is an inclusive term, rather than one which signifies separation, difference or, indeed, rejection.

Is not it the very nature of man to perpetuate derision as a means to identify ourselves from that which we glady accept as the "norm" and that which we find different and therefore "Threatening" .

(Whew did I just write that..... I think I'll need a lie down now!!! LOL)

Are we not KB'ers "Brothers of the road"...SURELY the people that we refer to as CAGERS wouldn't think this word is derogatory!!!.... I'm mean its not as bad as nigger or honky is it...... YEAH RIGHT!!! aren't we all a little bit guilty of "the pot calling the kettle black"

[Grahameeboy]

Why do we get so upset about names?

I mean if someone thinks I am a Pakeha, or even a Wanker, it may mean something to them but does not have to bother me.........it is simply how they see things from their world.

There are surely more important things in life?

[crazylittleshit]

P.c bullshit get over it people............

lifes to short to give a crap. Be good to others and ignore all those that are not good to you....

[Pixie]

Pakeha, despite allegations about its origins, is a name generally used to denote a non-Maori person. No offence is generally intended in its use, so none should be taken.

Exactly how I use the words wog, nigger and kike.
No offence should be taken

[avgas]

There are surely more important things in life?

"Look after the details and the specifics tidy themselves up"
Many decades ago my family were considered settlers. That term was fine as it was considered temporary.
At todays day and age - i refused to be classed as something different that anyone else that is from her.
Its a simple enough concept - from USA you are American, from china you are chinese, from russia you are Russian.
Realistically if we were going to go down the segregation naming path - if one of us is Maori, and Maori means native to NZ.....we are all Maori. But then that ruins certain marketing opportunities for people.

[Grahameeboy]

"Look after the details and the specifics tidy themselves up"
Many decades ago my family were considered settlers. That term was fine as it was considered temporary.
At todays day and age - i refused to be classed as something different that anyone else that is from her.
Its a simple enough concept - from USA you are American, from china you are chinese, from russia you are Russian.
Realistically if we were going to go down the segregation naming path - if one of us is Maori, and Maori means native to NZ.....we are all Maori. But then that ruins certain marketing opportunities for people.

To me a name is not an important detail. As long as you know who and what you are it should not matter what others take is.

[MSTRS:Me]

To me a name is not an important detail. As long as you know who and what you are it should not matter what others take is.

Aaaah....GB, you need to think about that a little more....

[Grahameeboy]

Aaaah....GB, you need to think about that a little more....

Why?..........................

[MSTRS:Me]

Why?..........................

I thought you were intelligent (for a Pom).....
Do you think that, for example, Charles Manson, Hitler, Richard Nixon..... worried about what others called them?
Really, it is what others 'think' of us that determines our place in society. Sure, one's own sense of worth is important, but that is a starting point only.

[Grahameeboy]

I thought you were intelligent (for a Pom).....
Do you think that, for example, Charles Manson, Hitler, Richard Nixon..... worried about what others called them?
Really, it is what others 'think' of us that determines our place in society. Sure, one's own sense of worth is important, but that is a starting point only.

I was really thinking of 'names' not what we are called because of our behaviour which I thought was the main point of the thread and now we are bringing in Hitler......slight difference.........

If someone wants to call me Pakeha, Wanker etc I am not worried or offended. That is all I was saying.

Anyway, as you know I only answer to one guy.

[Hitcher]

191 posts to Godwin's Law. We're slipping...

[MSTRS:Me]

I was really thinking of 'names' not what we are called because of our behaviour which I thought was the main point of the thread and now we are bringing in Hitler......slight difference.........

If someone wants to call me Pakeha, Wanker etc I am not worried or offended. That is all I was saying.

Anyway, as you know I only answer to one guy.

Yea but yea but....
A label generally describes (any)one's impression of the labelled object. That impression varies between individuals, but the labeller's intent can be of more importance than the labellee's acceptance of said label.

[Grahameeboy]

Yea but yea but....
A label generally describes (any)one's impression of the labelled object. That impression varies between individuals, but the labeller's intent can be of more importance than the labellee's acceptance of said label.

I guess it depends of the level of importance of the labellers intent which can be purely subjective to them............the problem you run into is that the labellers intent could be taken more seriously than it needs to be by the labelee who thinks it is them when it is not because they worry about it when in fact they have nothing to worry about but for the labellers approach.

Do you follow me?

I am not perfect, I know I will not please everyone so if I was to worry everytime someone took a swipe at me I would have a problem so I don't let it worry me..........as in worry....however, that is not to say that I will not think about it.