Pakeha

**Phurrball** · 6th September 2007, 14:55

Originally Posted by hXc

That's political correctness at it's finest. We are all New Zealanders. We are made up of many different races here, and maori is just one of those. You could never be a non-'Pakeha' New Zealander, could you?

Quite right there are many races colour and creeds here who are all NZers, Maori happened to be here before any Europeans and rightly have some acknowledgment of that fact in law. What I state is merely fact. But for the grace of the Treaty of Waitangi are we non-maori here. Political correctness has nothing to do with it. It is historical fact.

I am other things in addition to Pakeha Tangata Tiriti, for example, I'm Irish enough to have a passport, and I identify strongly with that ancestry and culture, but my being Pakeha Tangata Tiriti is my birthright.

**hXc** · 6th September 2007, 14:55

Originally Posted by 007XX

I strongly believe I am an alien anyway...

Which, you are quite entitled to believe. Alien only means something foreign to something else. For example, a cellphone is an alien to a starving 8yo in Africa who needs only a dollar a day.

Originally Posted by 007XX

Admitedly, I have not been there for a few years...not sure about the up to date status of it to be honnest.

The interesting bit about your lineage, is that in maybe 4 generations, one of your descendant may inherit the full attributes of your father's genetical makeup, regardless of what the parents look like...

I was only there for a week, but either of us could be right. Depends where you are in New Caledonia anyway, I was only in Noumea.

And yeah, that could be 'interesting' to say the least. I wish luck to my great great grandchildren in explaining that situation to whoever.

**Lias** · 6th September 2007, 14:56

Being particularly politically incorrect I object to both "Pakeha" and "NZ European". I cross out both and put "White"

**Hitcher** · 6th September 2007, 14:58

Originally Posted by Sniper

I thought of that. But not many these days know who Eeyore is so I presumed it was either, email sex or and "Hore" you could book on the internet

Surely that would be an E-whore? (Silent w, as in whospital...)

**hXc** · 6th September 2007, 14:59

Originally Posted by Phurrball

Quite right there are many races colour and creeds here who are all NZers, Maori happened to be here before any Europeans and rightly have some acknowledgment of that fact in law. What I state is merely fact. But for the grace of the Treaty of Waitangi are we non-maori here. Political correctness has nothing to do with it. It is historical fact.

But it is just giving a derogative label to a majority, to keep a minority happy. But in doing so, you are creating a relatively unhappy majority.

I know that what you state is fact, but the Maori are a minority race. And the Maori do treat racism very one sided too. I highly doubt that if the Treaty of Waitangi didn't exist that we 'non-Maori' wouldn't be here. After all, we were the ones who brought guns and other forms of more effective weaponry to the Maori. Maybe then we wouldn't have as many Maori people, or no Maori people.

**007XX** · 6th September 2007, 15:00

Originally Posted by hXc

Which, you are quite entitled to believe. Alien only means something foreign to something else. For example, a cellphone is an alien to a starving 8yo in Africa who needs only a dollar a day.

I was only there for a week, but either of us could be right. Depends where you are in New Caledonia anyway, I was only in Noumea.

And yeah, that could be 'interesting' to say the least. I wish luck to my great great grandchildren in explaining that situation to whoever.

Sweet as..and based upon my belief, mine might just sprout tentacules one of these days...

Originally Posted by Lias

Being particularly politically incorrect I object to both "Pakeha" and "NZ European". I cross out both and put "White"

C'mon now...Don't be like that!

**Sniper** · 6th September 2007, 15:01

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Surely that would be an E-whore? (Silent w, as in whospital...)

Hmm, on further thought, that makes more sense. Although with the way our N.Z schooling, grammer and spelling is going, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a combination of all.

**Kittyhawk** · 6th September 2007, 15:01

Does it really matter what we are called? It's only words.

People take offence to all kinds of things these days, and as society reproduces, so do words.

As long as people get your name right that's the main thing.

I was born and bred in NZ, am white, but have multiple bloods, so what would I be labled as????

Can you really lable things? NZ European? European? Kiwi? No one has pure blood, if you did would you be a pure New Zealander?

**Ocean1** · 6th September 2007, 15:02

Originally Posted by hXc

I highly doubt that if the Treaty of Waitangi didn't exist that we 'non-Maori' wouldn't be here. After all, we were the ones who brought guns and other forms of more effective weaponry to the Maori. Maybe then we wouldn't have as many Maori people, or no Maori people.

Hmm, "right of conquest" worked for Maori, maybe you're right.

**MSTRS:Me** · 6th September 2007, 15:03

With the obvious shift in the meanings of words over the years, the word 'pakeha' may have come to mean something other than it's original use denoted. That does not mean that 'I' should be happy and comfortable with it's use to pigeon-hole me. My genetic heritage is diverse, but I was born here. I am a New Zealander.
(ps - hXc...seen my legs in shorts??)

**Sniper** · 6th September 2007, 15:03

Originally Posted by Kittyhawk

I was born and bred in NZ, am white, but have multiple bloods, so what would I be labled as????

A moggy?

**hXc** · 6th September 2007, 15:05

Originally Posted by Kittyhawk

Can you really lable things? NZ European? European? Kiwi? No one has pure blood, if you did would you be a pure New Zealander?

No body ever can be pure -insert nationality here-, not by blood. We all had to have got to our country from somewhere else, which means we all have to have another nationality in us somewhere. Yes it will be a little amount, but it still exists.

And anyway...like the Mastercard ad, 'Knowing we are all made of the same stuff: Priceless."

**hXc** · 6th September 2007, 15:08

Originally Posted by MSTRS

(ps - hXc...seen my legs in shorts??)

Unfortunately I have. Albeit maybe 10 times in 16 years, that's far too many in my books. And you're still a nigger. Like Stewie calls Peter 'Fatman', you're a 'Blackman'.

And Blackman, nor Fatman are any relation to Batman.

**Phurrball** · 6th September 2007, 15:08

Originally Posted by hXc

But it is just giving a derogative label to a majority, to keep a minority happy. But in doing so, you are creating a relatively unhappy majority.

Opinion stated as fact does not bear any more weight when there is evidence to debunk it.

Originally Posted by hXc

I know that what you state is fact, but the Maori are a minority race. And the Maori do treat racism very one sided too. I highly doubt that if the Treaty of Waitangi didn't exist that we 'non-Maori' wouldn't be here. After all, we were the ones who brought guns and other forms of more effective weaponry to the Maori. Maybe then we wouldn't have as many Maori people, or no Maori people.

What a great and morally upstanding way to colonise the world that would be I know, I'll beat up on those with inferior weaponry to consolidate my place in the world and prove I'm a big man! Thank fark for the treaty. If colonisation was as you describe. The world would be a boring, monocultural place... and more valuable cultures would be gone, or in a woeful state (Australian Aboriginies spring to mind...)

Go and watch Jared Diamond's DVD, 'Gun's, Germs and Streel' It's only luck that Europeans were successful colonisers. Nothing to do with any superiority. Bloody interesting hypothesis as to why whitey has done so 'well'.

If opressive majorities were allowed free reign, where would the world be. Bikes would be outlawed by now surely??