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    Quote Originally Posted by xerxesdaphat View Post

    `European' works well for me (even though Australians find the use of that term confusing, they don't use it like that over there).
    Up until recently 'European' was polite for 'Wog'.

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    Then, around 200 years ago, Europeans arrived in boats from the north. More accurately, European convicts were sent, with a few deranged and stupid people in charge. They tried to plant their crops in Autumn (failing to take account of the reversal of the seasons when moving from the top half of the planet to the bottom), ate all their food, and a lot of them died.

    About then the sheep arrived, and have been treasured ever since. It is interesting to note here that the Europeans always consider themselves vastly superior to any other race they encounter, since they can lie, cheat, steal, and litigate (marks of a civilised culture they say) - whereas all the Aboriginals can do is happily survive being left in the middle of a vast red-hot desert, equipped with a stick.

    Eventually, the new lot of people stopped being Europeans on Extended Holiday and became Australians. The changes are subtle, but deep, caused by the mind-stretching expanses of nothingness and eerie quiet, where a person can sit perfectly still and look deep inside themselves to the core of their essence, their reasons for being, and the necessity of checking inside your boots every morning for fatal surprises. They also picked up the most finely tuned sense of irony in the world, and the Aboriginal gift for making up stories. Be warned.

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    If we all keep breeding the way we are , are we all not going to be Pakehas eventually ??
    ps. anyone ever noticed how few polynesians ride bikes ? There's a thread start ? G.

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    I have never liked the term pakeha, no matter what it really means and whether it is intended to be offensive or not. We speak English in NZ and I am a European or a New Zealander, not a pakeha. I particularly hate it when the word is hissed out between gritted teeth - "well, you wouldn't understand because you're a pakeha" - that makes me want to give them the bash!

    And I know I will get shit for this, but I used to hate having to do cultural sensitivity classes during my studies - I had to do them for nursing and journalism and I've never once used anything I learned in those classes - unless you count having to take your shoes off when entering a maori classroom at a school...
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    Palangi, Orang Putih, Buleh, Ribelli and dick head are labels I have received from people from other cultures. They are just names that don't bother me too much and were generally only a descriptive and inoffensive label that us "White guys" get.
    However, as Beemer has already touched on, it is the tonal connotations that go along with the use of the word Pakeha that often worry me a bit. Mind you I'm from the generation that still pronounces Mowrey rather than the now trendy Maooari. Maybe I deserve to have Pakeha hissed back.
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    Terbang - you don't deserve the inflection given your pronunciation of the word 'maori'....how many of our brown friends speak English 'properly'??
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    I used to work for a Sportswear company way back when we got taken over by a maori company I actually got a formal warning for the not pronouncing the word "Kia Ora" correctly when I answered the phone!!!

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    I resent the name Pakeha. I am not a pig.
    I resent the name white. I am not white (rather a sort of blue veined marble )

    I call Maori people Maori because that is their name for their people I expect the same respect in turn.

    I am a Scot. This is my people's name for my people. That's not too hard to say is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by McJim View Post

    I am a Scot. This is my people's name for my people. That's not too hard to say is it?
    You bastards seem to have enough trouble - 'What's a Scort' I ask????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beemer View Post
    I am a European or a New Zealander,
    Sorry to go off track but I find it an interesting cultural difference.
    An Aussie would NEVER say 'I'm a European'. Like ashes in our mouths.

    Some of the most successful marketing slogans are like:
    'I am, you are, we are...Australian'.

    Kiwis don't bang that drum nearly as hard. So I do it for you. ;-P
    Just cleaned up with a 'Uniquely New Zealand' pitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrandom View Post
    This is where we differ. I am always ready to tell the Emperor that he has no clothes.
    You still recognise Emperors ?


    Other than the Penguin variety........
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPman View Post
    You still recognise Emperors ?


    Other than the Penguin variety........
    Mills and Boone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Dave View Post
    An Aussie would NEVER say 'I'm a European'. Like ashes in our mouths.

    Some of the most successful marketing slogans are like:
    'I am, you are, we are...Australian'.
    Well your Aussie forebears cut their ties with the mother land a bit quicker than our Kiwi ones. Mind you, they didn't exactly arrive in Van Diemans land via a business class fare either.

    I understood the Tonan/Maori word for Pig to be Powaka. Well it begins with a 'P'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terbang View Post
    Well your Aussie forebears cut their ties with the mother land a bit quicker than our Kiwi ones. Mind you, they didn't exactly arrive in Van Diemans land via a business class fare either.

    I understood the Tonan/Maori word for Pig to be Powaka. Well it begins with a 'P'.
    But when they had the opportunity to vote for the abolision of the Monarchy in Oz what happened?

    Crikey - if we'd had the opportunity in Scotland to have a president for the head of State we'd have been there like a shot!

    Hey Big Dave, have you still got the queen's head on your currency?

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    The word, "pakeha" seems to be more of word used by the media and those employed by the government. No one has ever referred to me as a "Pakeha" in verbal conversation except those that were working for local or central government agencies, which include education departments. I think that it has become a bit of a bourgeois sort of word that has meaning only to those that use it. I wouldn't take offence from it these days, in fact I'd probably grin slyly to myself if someone called me a ''Pakeha".
    I remember being at a house in the southern suburbs of Perth W.A. 20+ years ago that was inhabited by black tee-shirt wearing, piss swiling,V8 tow truck driving (etc etc) working class battlers that someone later referred to jokingly as "Westies". It was kind of derogatory and implied that these hospitable folk were possibly knuckle draggers and later back in NZ I noticed the same word beginning to ciculate to the point that now even the middle class baby boomers of West Auckland LOVE to be called not only "Pakeha" but also "Westie".

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    Quote Originally Posted by McJim View Post
    But when they had the opportunity to vote for the abolision of the Monarchy in Oz what happened?
    The politicians devised and presented a model where the head of state was a politician - chosen only by the politicians.

    If the constitution was reworked so that the populace could directly choose the head of state it would achieve the numbers at referendum.

    But distrust and disregard of authority figures (formerly the Red Coated Army - now Politicians) is ingrained from the glorification of the harsh convict past. Us against them.

    We didn't trust the bastards to elect a non-bastard so we stuck with Lizzie cause at least - even though entirely inappropriate - she isn't a politician.

    Yeah queens head - One of My School's Captains is on one too.

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