Kill the Bill

[devnull]

Regarding Marxist philosophy, I was referring to this comment of yours Grahameeboy:

And does 80% make the Bill wrong? Maybe the 20% are the more intelligent ones who understand the reality not just the fantasy and don't allow the media drive the paranoia.

Sweden has a large amount of internal issues and civil unrest.
It's a socialist stronghold that's been used repeatedly as THE model for child protection laws. What's been left out of the propaganda is the number of time that they've been hauled up before the EU courts over those laws, and the high rate of children seized by the state (the funding model is based on number of kids placed into state care)

We may have a population of 4 million, but approx 25% of that population no longer chooses to live here, and in excess of 600 per week are heading to Oz. Pretty damning statistics really.

I don't know why you're getting hung up on religion - nowhere did I mention it.

[Finn]

I don't know why you're getting hung up on religion - nowhere did I mention it.

Oh no, you just did.

[devnull]

Oh no, you just did.

Oops

[Finn]

There is no limit to the extent that Labour will go to write electoral laws to suit itself. We’ve heard that the revised bill will have some limits on anonymous donations.

But instead of abolishing them (over the reporting limit), which I would support, the Dom Post reports that one will be allowed $240,000 of anonymous donations over three years.

Now how much money did Labour get in the last election from anon donations? $315,000

Now $65,000 of their anonymous donations could be done non-anoymously if they had people give $10k a year. So taking that away from the $315,000 and you get $250,000 - almost a perfect match.

This is fucking outrageous. We the public have had no chance to have input into that limit. I want a zero limit for anonymous donations (above the reporting threshold). Instead we have a limit hand picked by Labour as allowing them to retain basically all of their anonymous donations.

The public have been totally excluded from any input into what level of anonymous donations, if any, should be allowed. Instead Labour and allies cook up a sweetheart deal designed to do just one thing - preserve Labour’s funding.

Labour have a democracy deficit in their thinking. The Herald nailed them - they think democracy is only useful as a tool to get them elected.

Here’s what National should do. They should move an amendment at the committee of the whole stage to outlaw all anonymous donations (over the reporting limit) and see if the Greens and NZ First have the balls to vote on principle or vote for their cosy deal with Labour to protect Labour’s funding sources.

[Grahameeboy]

Regarding Marxist philosophy, I was referring to this comment of yours Grahameeboy:



Sweden has a large amount of internal issues and civil unrest.
It's a socialist stronghold that's been used repeatedly as THE model for child protection laws. What's been left out of the propaganda is the number of time that they've been hauled up before the EU courts over those laws, and the high rate of children seized by the state (the funding model is based on number of kids placed into state care)

We may have a population of 4 million, but approx 25% of that population no longer chooses to live here, and in excess of 600 per week are heading to Oz. Pretty damning statistics really.

I don't know why you're getting hung up on religion - nowhere did I mention it.

Read that bit again........I did not say you raised religion, was just saying that I am glad I have my faith and don't get hung up on all this paranoia.

600 per week = 31,200 pa / 25% of $4million = 1million....see what I mean about paranoia. I think you will find that those leaving is the same as those arriving

Read This

In the year to mid-2006, there were an estimated 574,000 people migrating to the UK for a year or more. This was 25,000 lower than in the previous mid-year period. Long term migration from the UK increased by 49,000 to 385,000. As a result, net international in-migration decreased to 189,000 from 262,000 in the previous year.

Now we are no way worse than the UK by a long stretch with terriorism and high immigration etc so maybe it is paranoia causing emigrating not policies

[Finn]

600 per week = 31,200 pa / 25% of $4million = 1million....see what I mean about paranoia. I think you will find that those leaving is the same as those arriving

Grahameeboy, that's just to Australia and it's been happening for many years now. Believe me, it's a real problem.

[Grahameeboy]

Grahameeboy, that's just to Australia and it's been happening for many years now. Believe me, it's a real problem.

So 1 million people a year are leaving NZ then even though the 2006 stats say that it is even stevens.......righto....lets hope they are the moaners then so we can have some peace and quite

[Finn]

So 1 million people a year are leaving NZ then even though the 2006 stats say that it is even stevens.......righto....lets hope they are the moaners then so we can have some peace and quite

I never said 1 million a year. It's the brain drain that's the problem and if you were an employer, you'd know what I mean. Labour have this figured out though... they'll replace educated kiwi's with refugees and poms.

[Grahameeboy]

I never said 1 million a year. It's the brain drain that's the problem and if you were an employer, you'd know what I mean. Labour have this figured out though... they'll replace educated kiwi's with refugees and poms.

So refugees and poms are not educated? At least they will not moan I guess.

Many educated immigrants come here but NZ has this closed shop and even a Doctor from the UK has to set extra papers to be NZ complaint.

My friend was a Lawyer in UK. Decided to do Real Estate instead as he would have to do more papers to be a Lawyer in NZ and he has a family now......you would think that an educated UK Lawyer would be easily able to do Law here eh............so much for wanting educated people

[jrandom]

... if you were an employer, you'd know what I mean.

Having spent most of the last seven years trying to hire guys into my various teams on behalf of various large companies, I'm with you on that one.

I definitely plan to flog my business before it gets to the stage where I have to hire anyone other than my own well-proven ex-colleagues.

[Finn]

Many educated immigrants come here but NZ has this closed shop and even a Doctor from the UK has to set extra papers to be NZ complaint.

My friend was a Lawyer in UK. Decided to do Real Estate instead as he would have to do more papers to be a Lawyer in NZ and he has a family now......you would think that an educated UK Lawyer would be easily able to do Law here eh............so much for wanting educated people

Yes, another example of the inadequacies of Labour policy. I'm glad that you raised this GB and that you'll be voting with your head and not ideals next year.

[Grahameeboy]

Yes, another example of the inadequacies of Labour policy. I'm glad that you raised this GB and that you'll be voting with your head and not ideals next year.

I don't vote.............never did in UK either. Just not me.

There is more to life in my book.

[Finn]

There is more to life in my book.

I thought the bible was all about choice...

[Grahameeboy]

I thought the bible was all about choice...

I was not specifically referring to the Bible, however you are right the Bible is about choices.....although to be honest, if I was not a Christian, I would have posted the same comment as that is me.

[jrandom]

you would think that an educated UK Lawyer would be easily able to do Law here eh...

The last thing NZ needs is more lawyers.