Good wrecker's around Welly?

[FROSTY:Me]

It's funny (in a sick way) that some govt depts can be run in such a way as to pay nogoodfckers stupid amounts of money to squander as much public money as they can & then get bonuses despite scandals & lack of performance, yet other soft targets (health, education etc) get the bums rush.

Totally off topic -but then were off topic anyhoo
The only way a local council staff member can get a pay rise is to have a certain number of staff working for them -So basicly they get paid more if theyre incompetent.

[Ms Piggy]

not apples compared with apples.

Yeah well that is b/c I'm not comparing apples with apples (see posting #46). That was my inital point. Overall women are paid less.

[StoneChucker]

That was my inital point. Overall women are paid less

Women live longer than men, so when we die (from the exertion of chasing after you women folk), you carry on working, thus catching up, and earning as much as us, if not more!

Nowdays though, surely there is no discrimination based on gender? Nursing or police for example, you are paid on position, not gender. Of course a female nurse may earn less than a male police officer, or vica versa, but thats because it's not compared equally.
I agree in the past it was completely biased, but I feel it's on the mend, or already mended now, in the places I'm exposed to anyway.

BIG however, I don't know much, about anything really, so please set me straight IF I'm wrong.

PS: Wasn't serious about the catching up of earnings in the 1st paragraph, even though you precious creatures DO outlive us

[Ms Piggy]

Women live longer than men, so when we die (from the exertion of chasing after you women folk), you carry on working, thus catching up, and earning as much as us, if not more!

PS: Wasn't serious about the catching up of earnings in the 1st paragraph, even though you precious creatures DO outlive us

Hah hah hah! Good logic my friend!

I won't bang on about it anymore, well not much more anyway. My point is: there is a gender pay gap. Yes - there are women in positions of great power, yes - women get paid more than they used to and yes - we are not disciminated against due to our gender any longer.

HOWEVER - there is still a gap. Caring proffessions which typically involve women are paid less but, it is difficult to try and compare professions. Some lines of thought say that women do a lot more unpaid work and that their work is undervalued b/c it is viewed as an extension of what comes naturally to women i.e. caring & nurturing.

Actually Stoney, I think someone pointed put earlier that Police & Nurses do get pretty much a similar wage.

[FROSTY:Me]

Um really stupid question I know --But what has this to do with wreckers in welly???
Jaz-what parts do ya need--Maybbee Us dorklanders can help ya.

[StoneChucker]

women do a lot more unpaid work and that their work is undervalued b/c it is viewed as an extension of what comes naturally to women i.e. caring & nurturing.

That I agree with 100%, and it troubles me that there is still the sterotypical thought that women have a certain place/roll to fulfill. I think THAT is slowly changing too, but I'm not sure if it ever will completely disappear. (I sat for a good few mins, contemplating how to word that. It's still not quite how I'd like it, but close enough, hope I don't offend anyone)

Regarding the Police/Nurse comparison, they were just examples.

[James Deuce]

That I agree with 100%, and it troubles me that there is still the sterotypical thought that women have a certain place/roll to fulfill. I think THAT is slowly changing too, but I'm not sure if it ever will completely disappear. (I sat for a good few mins, contemplating how to word that. It's still not quite how I'd like it, but close enough, hope I don't offend anyone)

Regarding the Police/Nurse comparison, they were just examples.

Hang on a minute. This is descending into PC twaddle. Men and Women are fundamentally different, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Men and Women are designed (either by God or Nature, but lets not go there please) to fulfill complementary roles in life, and there is nothing inherently wrong with that. What has changed however, and only recently in the scheme of things I might add, is the comparative value given to to female and male roles. For some odd reason, actually not that odd - it all has to do with accumulating money in the short-term, we have lost sight of the fact that without Women there is no next generation, and without quality early life care we create big social problems about 15-20 years down the track. I've noticed an editorial push in the NZ "press" (I feel dirty calling those easily manipulated robots "press") to make it OK to put kids in care from a very early age.

I value my Wife's contribution to my life, and the lives of my children above all my other relationships in life. She is the only person I trust to look after my children the way I think they deserve to be looked after.

However, I don't think there is any need to discriminate against people who chose (more likely pushed because they can't afford not to) to work and put their kids in day care, nor are women any less capable in any work environment I can think of. But that doesn't mean we should abandon common sense and describe Men and Women as fundamentally the same, because they are most emphatically NOT, and it is NOT a stereotype to say that Men make better ditch diggers than women, generally speaking, and that Women make better breast feeders than men, apart from certain Papuan hill tribes, where the Granddads are wicked breast feeders.

[James Deuce]

Um really stupid question I know --But what has this to do with wreckers in welly???
Jaz-what parts do ya need--Maybbee Us dorklanders can help ya.

She's cheap and wants stuff fundamentally free. I think that covers it. Oh, and she's Scots, so is fundamentally incapable of paying new or second hand prices for anything. Count the coins in your sporran after she's visited too.

[StoneChucker]

ALL of Jim2's last post

Omg hehe, you're gonna get it
As to your other post Jim, I agree there too. I didn't want to post what you said, since I didn't know how to word it. Like you say, all the PC talk does get very tiring, which is why I don't normally get into these. So I may quietly, while noone is watching, take my cards off the table.

[Ms Piggy]

Hang on a minute. This is descending into PC twaddle. Men and Women are fundamentally different, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Men and Women are designed (either by God or Nature, but lets not go there please) to fulfill complementary roles in life, and there is nothing inherently wrong with that. What has changed however, and only recently in the scheme of things I might add, is the comparative value given to to female and male roles. For some odd reason, actually not that odd - it all has to do with accumulating money in the short-term, we have lost sight of the fact that without Women there is no next generation, and without quality early life care we create big social problems about 15-20 years down the track. I've noticed an editorial push in the NZ "press" (I feel dirty calling those easily manipulated robots "press") to make it OK to put kids in care from a very early age.

I value my Wife's contribution to my life, and the lives of my children above all my other relationships in life. She is the only person I trust to look after my children the way I think they deserve to be looked after.

However, I don't think there is any need to discriminate against people who chose (more likely pushed because they can't afford not to) to work and put their kids in day care, nor are women any less capable in any work environment I can think of. But that doesn't mean we should abandon common sense and describe Men and Women as fundamentally the same, because they are most emphatically NOT, and it is NOT a stereotype to say that Men make better ditch diggers than women, generally speaking, and that Women make better breast feeders than men, apart from certain Papuan hill tribes, where the Granddads are wicked breast feeders.

Well said but that very last sentence has me intruiged!

[jazbug5]

Um really stupid question I know --But what has this to do with wreckers in welly???
Jaz-what parts do ya need--Maybbee Us dorklanders can help ya.

Thank ee kindly, Mr. Frosty; actually Mr. White Trash sorted me out (well done that man) with a very servicable replacement on Saturday.
Everyone! Go buy lots of stuff from him!
...I would, but I'm Scottish and cheap, and anyway I'm underpaid because I'm a girl.

[toads]

Thank ee kindly, Mr. Frosty; actually Mr. White Trash sorted me out (well done that man) with a very servicable replacement on Saturday.
Everyone! Go buy lots of stuff from him!
...I would, but I'm Scottish and cheap, and anyway I'm underpaid because I'm a girl.

glad you got it sorted Jazbug, glad the topic came back on track at the end too whew!!!!

[rodgerd]

Yeah well that is b/c I'm not comparing apples with apples (see posting #46). That was my inital point. Overall women are paid less.

Women are also more likely to spend a chunk of their lives out of the workforce raising children. If I spend 20 years in my profession, should someone with 10 years experience get paid the same as me because they decided to have kids?

[Ms Piggy]

Women are also more likely to spend a chunk of their lives out of the workforce raising children. If I spend 20 years in my profession, should someone with 10 years experience get paid the same as me because they decided to have kids?

No of course not but, if you would look at the previous discussion and also at the table I attached you will clearly see that women are paid less over all at an hourly rate. And also b/c women are far more likely to go into caring professions and b/c caring professions generally are paid less (although as Jim2 pointed out this is changing), caring professions (as I have said before) are undervalued.