FYI - March Against Racism. 23rd October, Wellington.

[StoneChucker]

We are all of 'one' race: homo sapien.

I quote Ali G "I aint no homo.... whatever, but I aint no homo"

Start Venue: Te Papa, Wellington.

Thanks for the heads up, note to self, stay away from here, traffic jam certainty :sneaky2:
My feelings on protest are somewhat bleak. I wish it did work, but just before the US went to war with Iraq (not a political post here, just an example), 2 million people protested in the US alone, with millions more world wide to stop bush going ahead. And it changed nothing, apart from holding up traffic (like the stupid Hikoi (sp.?) over the bridge recently.
NOW don't get me wrong, I'm not all bitter lol, I just wish it DID something, and I'm all for something that does. I'll be with you in spirit though This is ofcourse my current feelings, not necessarily the truth, so don't let me put anyone off please. (I mean, look at Martin Luther King, there's always some hope)

PS: Stay away from the "everyone wears black shirts, and chants with their arms up in the air - It's not a good look (no names mentioned lol)
Dave

[Ms Piggy]

I'll be with you in spirit though This is ofcourse my current feelings, not necessarily the truth, so don't let me put anyone off please. (I mean, look at Martin Luther King, there's always some hope)

That's the way I look at it Dave.

There is something cliched saying that goes "If you stand for nothing you'll fall for anything." I guess for me personally it's important to draw lines about where I stand on this issue and what I believe. I think by doing that I will make a difference. Idealistic? Definitely! But I am an avid beliver in equity & equality and it aint gonna change if I do nothing. Not a dig btw, just my belief.

[Jackrat]

Wonder what their trying to soften us up for this time

[Ms Piggy]

Wonder what their trying to soften us up for this time

Who Jackrat?

[Jackrat]

Who Jackrat?

You and your mates.
It's not an equal world,get over it.

[Ms Piggy]

It's not an equal world,get over it.

No. I can't.

[jimbo600]

I quote Ali G "I aint no homo.... whatever, but I aint no homo"

Thanks for the heads up, note to self, stay away from here, traffic jam certainty :sneaky2:
My feelings on protest are somewhat bleak. I wish it did work, but just before the US went to war with Iraq (not a political post here, just an example), 2 million people protested in the US alone, with millions more world wide to stop bush going ahead. And it changed nothing, apart from holding up traffic (like the stupid Hikoi (sp.?) over the bridge recently.
NOW don't get me wrong, I'm not all bitter lol, I just wish it DID something, and I'm all for something that does. I'll be with you in spirit though This is ofcourse my current feelings, not necessarily the truth, so don't let me put anyone off please. (I mean, look at Martin Luther King, there's always some hope)

PS: Stay away from the "everyone wears black shirts, and chants with their arms up in the air - It's not a good look (no names mentioned lol)
Dave

All the farmers down here protested against the fart tax and managed to stop that being ratified.

[StoneChucker]

All the farmers down here protested against the fart tax and managed to stop that being ratified.

Ok, fair enough, but there is a slight difference in likelyhood of protesting making a difference between these two. If they wanted to put speed bumps all the way up the Taka's, I would hapily go and protest, hell I might even lay on the road and stop the bulldozers.
BUT, would I haul myself out of bed to fight racism, inequality or genocide? No. Does the destruction of the rainforrest, extinction of MANY species of animal, inhumane and uncivilised treatment of animals in asia etc... make me sick? YES, but it's unrealistic, in MY opinion, to protest about it, since it's not going to change until everyone concerned comes to a drastic realisation (through some major event, which I fear may be too late in some cases).

I think one of the main reasons these things won't change until then boils down to money. There's money to be made off these things, people are greedy and as such don't want to stop making money.

But, as I said, don't let me stop anyone going out and protesting, there is ofcourse a chance it will make a difference, and if/when it does, I will be the first to thank those who were more diligent than I.
Dave

[FROSTY:Me]

awww.... I'm hoping for a march against JAFA's moving to welly.... they're a race arent they?? Jafa's????

Bloody hell You're in for it now--Jaffas ar round orange things with choc in the middle--hmm then again

[jrandom]

... I might even lay on the road and stop the bulldozers.

Just make sure it's not on Thursday.

[Hitcher]

I might even lay on the road and stop the bulldozers.

As my Dad once said to me: "Young Hitcher, if you really want to drive tanks I won't stand in your way!"

[badlieutenant]

I quote Ali G "I aint no homo.... whatever, but I aint no homo"

Thanks for the heads up, note to self, stay away from here, traffic jam certainty :sneaky2:
My feelings on protest are somewhat bleak. I wish it did work, but just before the US went to war with Iraq (not a political post here, just an example), 2 million people protested in the US alone, with millions more world wide to stop bush going ahead. And it changed nothing, apart from holding up traffic (like the stupid Hikoi (sp.?) over the bridge recently.
NOW don't get me wrong, I'm not all bitter lol, I just wish it DID something, and I'm all for something that does. I'll be with you in spirit though This is ofcourse my current feelings, not necessarily the truth, so don't let me put anyone off please. (I mean, look at Martin Luther King, there's always some hope)

PS: Stay away from the "everyone wears black shirts, and chants with their arms up in the air - It's not a good look (no names mentioned lol)
Dave

The protest's that your refering to were the largest ever staged by humanity.
Only the press were all busy and they missed it. lucky for the world we all watch abc, cbs and that really good one fox. (Im sure it was a genuine mistake calling florida's vote count in favour of ol Bushy)(helps to have rely's in the right place tho)
Isnt that the biggest achievment of the news media? We are all cynics now and dont believe bugger all of what we do hear and know that what we think means bugger all as well.

[Ms Piggy]

Ok, fair enough, but there is a slight difference in likelyhood of protesting making a difference between these two. If they wanted to put speed bumps all the way up the Taka's, I would hapily go and protest, hell I might even lay on the road and stop the bulldozers.
BUT, would I haul myself out of bed to fight racism, inequality or genocide? No. Does the destruction of the rainforrest, extinction of MANY species of animal, inhumane and uncivilised treatment of animals in asia etc... make me sick? YES, but it's unrealistic, in MY opinion, to protest about it, since it's not going to change until everyone concerned comes to a drastic realisation (through some major event, which I fear may be too late in some cases).

I think one of the main reasons these things won't change until then boils down to money. There's money to be made off these things, people are greedy and as such don't want to stop making money.

But, as I said, don't let me stop anyone going out and protesting, there is ofcourse a chance it will make a difference, and if/when it does, I will be the first to thank those who were more diligent than I.
Dave

I can see what you are saying Stoney but maybe a example that relates more to the up and coming march against racism is when the blacks in America stopped using public transport. That was started by 1 woman refusing to give her seat on the bus: Rosa Parks. http://library.thinkquest.org/J0112391/rosa_parks.htm

[jrandom]

Rosa Parks

Weeeeell. She didn't exactly create the civil rights movement all by herself, you know. She just became a poster child at the crux and flashpoint of an inevitable flood of societal opinion (I like my metaphors shaken, not stirred). *Someone* had to step into those shoes.

In any case, blacks in the '50s and '60s USA were fighting against an judicially and socially entrenched system of race distinction. We have nothing similar to overturn (unless you consider a country founded on a treaty of subordinated citizenship and/or mutual sovereignty, depending on how much dope you're smoking as you read it, between two ethnic groups to be a racist state).

< puts up sandbags, straps on Kevlar helmet and asbestos longjohns >

[Lou Girardin]

March against racism?
Is that some sort of National Party anti-treaty thing?