FYI - March Against Racism. 23rd October, Wellington.

[badlieutenant]

isnt israel the worst for humnitarian equality at the moment ? What other country on earth would be allowed to pursue the creation of a "pure israel state"
sounds a bit like.........fas........oops zionism
interesting observation made by rabbi
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Dail...002050924.html

[Ms Piggy]

Weeeeell. She didn't exactly create the civil rights movement all by herself, you know. She just became a poster child at the crux and flashpoint of an inevitable flood of societal opinion (I like my metaphors shaken, not stirred). *Someone* had to step into those shoes.

In any case, blacks in the '50s and '60s USA were fighting against an judicially and socially entrenched system of race distinction. We have nothing similar to overturn (unless you consider a country founded on a treaty of subordinated citizenship and/or mutual sovereignty, depending on how much dope you're smoking as you read it, between two ethnic groups to be a racist state).

< puts up sandbags, straps on Kevlar helmet and asbestos longjohns >

Yeah I wasn't saying she did start the civil rights movement, I was trying to find Stoney an example that maybe, in his eyes, was a little bit more applicable that Jimbo750's fart tax protest one (which I btw, thought was good). Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat for some white folk did make a difference. Therefore she was 1 person who made a difference, that in turn encouraged other blacks not to give up their seats and not to take public transport.

You know what I think about the Treaty my dear Jrandom *siiiiiiiiiigh* As I originally stated:

I am against racism. It's that "latte sipping, turtle neck wearing, limp wristed, liberal" part of me

Now I need a packet of Toffee Pops!

[jrandom]

You know what I think about the Treaty my dear Jrandom

As a matter of fact, I don't think we've ever covered your precise views.

My post above was more than 50% trollage, in any case; I don't have a fully formed opinion on the Treaty. Pity you're not in Ocklind, we could do a Treaty-based Galbraiths session.

[Hitcher]

As a matter of fact, I don't think we've ever covered your precise views.

My post above was more than 50% trollage, in any case; I don't have a fully formed opinion on the Treaty. Pity you're not in Ocklind, we could do a Treaty-based Galbraiths session.

Maybe we could morph the Scottish Thread to cover Te Tiriti and other similar matters to which there is no answer...

[Ms Piggy]

As a matter of fact, I don't think we've ever covered your precise views.

My post above was more than 50% trollage, in any case; I don't have a fully formed opinion on the Treaty. Pity you're not in Ocklind, we could do a Treaty-based Galbraiths session.

Ahhhhh - my apologies. See here, here and here. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ighlight=hikoi

[Drunken Monkey]

PS We are all of 'one' race: homo sapien. Hope that is spelt correctly.

[cue KB patented pedantic rant:]

Actually, 'we' are not. We ARE all of one species, homo sapiens. Race/breed/stock/strain are used to describe differences of phylogney within a species group. The terms are technically interchangeable, but are usually applied in the following context:
race = for humans
breed/stock = usually just for for animals
strain = anything, although often plants

For example: Compare with the domesticated dog. Your average pet dogs are all of the species canis familiaris, but as you probably know, breed differentiates the types, e.g. Labradors, Alsatians, Poodles, etc... All of these types can reproduce viable offspring (hence they are the same breed), but have noticeably different physiological traits.

Race is to humans, as breed is to dogs.

End lecture.

(After spending many years of my academic life in biological sciences, I thought I better clear this up.)

[Ms Piggy]

Just a little reminder for anyone who feels lead.

[Ms Piggy]

For those who might be interested the march was really great, it felt like a very positive thing to do. I reckon there was maybe about 2000 people - but don't quote me on that cos I am hopeless at counting numbers.

Anyway we started at Te Papa, walked along the water front, along part of Aotea Quay and then turned up onto Lambton Quay down to Parliament.

By the time we arrive at Parliament all the National Front had gone down to the Railway Station, so there wasn't any sort of confrontation. I was kinda glad of that b/c it could've turned quite nasty and there was potential for violence. And at the end of the day the National Front have as much right to put their point of view across as anyone - freedom of speech.

Apparently a group of anarchists and 'fairies against fascism' had been down at Parliament giving the National Front guys a hard time. I also heard one report that they had about a fifth of the people that were part of the anti racism march.

There were some very creative posters, including: "Fuck white supremacy" (my personal favvy), "Celebrate Diversity", "Skin Heads are so 10 years ago" and others that I can't recall. There were lots of photos being taken so I'm guessing I'll get to see some and no doubt it will be on the news tonight.

[Hitcher]

Power to the people!

[James Deuce]

isnt israel the worst for humnitarian equality at the moment ? What other country on earth would be allowed to pursue the creation of a "pure israel state"
sounds a bit like.........fas........oops zionism
interesting observation made by rabbi
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Dail...002050924.html

I don't actually have any patience for this argument at all. There is NO European derived or influenced culture that has any moral or ethical basis to actually criticise 50 years of Israeli settlement in "Palestine" (there has never been a nation called Palestine or people referred to as Palestinian) or get out the tote board and add up the deaths caused by the modern Israeli state.

We simply cannot take the moral high ground.

We should protest deaths on BOTH sides with equal fervour, and rather than allowing governments to support one "side" over the other we should demand that our governments act like responsible grown ups and work to provide a solution. The first step was taken by a red neck and former Israeli hardliner. If they can work out a treaty between Israel and Egypt, then why can't the leaders of the "free" world, who have been released from the economic shackles of nuclear detterence sort it out?

The middle east in general stands to lose a great deal if they don't sort out the Israeli "issue" as the biggest threat to stability in the middle east isn't oil, it's drinking water, and Israel has developed very efficient methods for desalinating sea water , and storing and piping fresh water.

For those of you who think that Palestinian children being killed in crossfire is horrible, think of the pogroms against jews that raged across Europe for a thousand years. The practice of lining jewish families up next to a trench that they dug themselves and then killing them and pushing the bodies in started with Richard the Lionheart. If you throw rocks or molotov cocktails at a tank after being warned to go away you have to take responsibility for that.

[Ms Piggy]

Power to the people!

Yeah it felt pretty good - although the stuff I saw on the tv tonight wasn't so crash hot! That was all stuff that happened before the march participants arrived and then the media were trying to whip up more hysteria by inferring it would be dangerous in the streets of Wellington tonight.

[StoneChucker]

more hysteria by inferring it would be dangerous in the streets of Wellington tonight

There was, but I made sure "the danger" went home round midnight

Good on you for marching btw

PS: SO... you wanted to get back early to check KB then Same (not really)

[rodgerd]

Yeah it felt pretty good - although the stuff I saw on the tv tonight wasn't so crash hot! That was all stuff that happened before the march participants arrived and then the media were trying to whip up more hysteria by inferring it would be dangerous in the streets of Wellington tonight.

TVNZ seemed to be running adverts for the National Front. I was unimpressed by their coverage, even allowing for the fact that a stoush between two packs of twats sells better than the several thousand folks who ambled along to parliament.

[Ms Piggy]

There was, but I made sure "the danger" went home round midnight

Good on you for marching btw

PS: SO... you wanted to get back early to check KB then Same (not really)

Very funny.

Actually I was up waiting for my dog who had run off

[Ms Piggy]

TVNZ seemed to be running adverts for the National Front. I was unimpressed by their coverage, even allowing for the fact that a stoush between two packs of twats sells better than the several thousand folks who ambled along to parliament.

Yeah that was my feeling too but, then again the media are gonna want to portray what they consider the "most" newsworthy (i.e. controversial and dramatic) part of any story anyway.

Were you there rodgerd? I saw a guy walking along in the march with a helmet & m/b jacket on, I was gonna say 'Hi' but wasn't sure if I'd just end up sounding like a fruit.