Treaty of Waitangi

[COP_B8]

Hi there, I am completing a research paper on the relevance of the Treaty of Waitangi in Contemporary New Zealand for a final year paper in my Maori Business degree at Victoria University and was wanting to get a bit of a discussion going about its relevance as I am trying to establish opinions from a broad range of society [Government, Media, Maori, Non Maori, Immigrants etc....]

For those that dont know me I am a returning student [Mature student although that title doesnt really fit me ] at Vic Uni in Wellington studying Law, Criminology, Maori Business and Commercial Law (Hons)

If anyone has an opinion I would appreciate your comments, and also if you could please identify yourself as Maori, Pakeha, etc......


Cheers in Advance

[JimO]

im a european and my opinion is.


FUCK THE TREATY

[Trudes]

I think we should get rid of the Monarchy and then we could also ditch the Treaty. I'm a student at Massey, and every paper I do has some Treaty content in it, also have to do an entire paper on the Treaty next year, and to be honest, I am sick to death of the whole bloody thing. I see some of its value, but also think some of it is very irrelevant now and causes more problems than it solves. I'm a Pakeha, and constantly get told that there's no way I could understand about the Treaty and the injustices Maori have suffered through the broken promises in it etc etc, well, if we are meant to be partners, then explain and lets get on with it, solve what we can and then rip the bloody thing up!!!
Just my opinion.

[Big Dan]

im a european and my opinion is.


FUCK THE TREATY

+1

With the multi cultures in this country there is no need for a treaty for only the white man and the black man after all we live in a rainbow nation

[idb]

I'm a European.
I too get sick of the Treaty but I also have a small understanding of the wrongs visited on the indigenous folk.

When I see what the likes of Ngai Tahu have done with their money I don't resent their payout at all.

My greatest hope is that once the restitution process is completed then all New Zealanders will feel able to embrace the Maori culture as a unique and identifying aspect of being a New Zealander.
At the moment the conflict between the European and Maori is too polarising and causes too much resentment among non-Maori (especially European) people.

But then I'm an optimist you see.

[Robbo]

I beleive that the Treaty is now an out-dated document and too many people are dwelling on it and living in the past instead of looking into the future. None of us were alive way back then and times have changed. We should all be looking at how we can go foward together and live in harmony. This country can not afford to keep dishing out these multi-million payouts from a limited tax take and needs to focus on today and beyond.
This is a Pakeha view but i suspect that it is shared by many people from both sides of the debate.

[Magua]

Pakeha. I think it's relevant today. I too have looked at the treaty at uni and some of the abuses (SILNA in environmental management). Grievances should be addressed, as their long lasting effects are still visible today, poverty etc.

[Finn]

Maori Business and Commercial Law? What a fucken joke.

This country makes me sick.

[Finn]

Pakeha. I think it's relevant today. I too have looked at the treaty at uni and some of the abuses (SILNA in environmental management). Grievances should be addressed, as their long lasting effects are still visible today, poverty etc.

Universities are doing well keeping the gravy trail alive and well. All they need is a constant string of simpletons and it's easy.

[MSTRS:Me]

I'm a New Zealander.
Rip the fkn thing up. Remove all the seperatism. Declare a Bill of Rights, where all citizens are treated equally.

[LilSel]

Rip the fkn thing up. Remove all the seperatism. Declare a Bill of Rights, where all citizens are treated equally.

I beleive that the Treaty is now an out-dated document and too many people are dwelling on it and living in the past instead of looking into the future. We should all be looking at how we can go foward together and live in harmony. This country can not afford to keep dishing out these multi-million payouts from a limited tax take and needs to focus on today and beyond.

I too get sick of the Treaty.

+1
With the multi cultures in this country there is no need for a treaty for only the white man and the black man after all we live in a rainbow nation

im a european and my opinion is.
FUCK THE TREATY

+1 to all of that!...

This is a subject that we cant bring up in the office here at work... causes too much shit!... The 'treaty' is something I avoid discussing as much as possible.

[NZsarge]

I'm a New Zealander.
Rip the fkn thing up. Remove all the seperatism. Declare a Bill of Rights, where all citizens are treated equally.

Could'nt have put it better I reckon.

[Finn]

I wonder if Cop B8 is going to use any of this material spoken by "real" NZers in his research paper?

[c4.]

http://www.celticnz.org/TreatyBook/Precis.htm

[some salt, some diamonds, some shit, some speculation.
Definitely an industry IMHO

[Finn]

http://www.celticnz.org/TreatyBook/Precis.htm

[some salt, some diamonds, some shit, some speculation.
Definitely an industry IMHO

Excellent find! I shall read that tonight.

I'd rep you for this but the Treaty of Wipefinnie has taken away some buttons.