Crying babies!

[cowpoos]

OKAY!!!!!

It seems that a mair observational comment of mine and the following small conversation on another thread with robert taylor,which had no ill feeling in it what so ever towards sam and his crew...has been taken totally out of proportion...so lets clear a few things up...huh?

this is how the conversation with robert went...

BTW..... did anyone else notice the rather illegal telementry looking device on Mr sam smiths bike in kendogs pic???

It is NOT telemetry, it is suspension datalogging equipment that we download and view in the pits. In fact we only briefly viewed this once during the entire weekend.

oh...right o then!!! my mistake...but the question is....is it legal sir?

To be brutally honest I really dont know. But it was out in the open for all to see, unlike say illegal cam profiles etc.

Sam ( as was Craig ) was there for no other reason than a very first shakedown run and roughing out suspension settings, any race ''results'' were ''irrelevant''. In Sams case we seem to have nailed 90% of the roughing out on account of the Yam having a very good swingarm and link design, in Craigs case 80% and only just by the last race. LOTS of horsepower trying to tie a rear end in knots on throttle application is a real challenge, beyond external clicker and spring setting changes.

The logger would have been of much greater help on Craigs beast.

to be honest I think its not legal at national level...not sure bout club scene...and yer...I don't really think anyone there would be paticulary worried either as either would have made similar results reguardless!! and yeah...craig sure did have the rear complaining about find a spot on the tarmac that could handle it!! man that bike could boogie!!

ps: thanks for your help in the weekend robert!! much appreciated as always!! and same to kerry!!

now how about people read that in full...and for the people that know me Robert included...they will know I couldn't give two shits if sam was on a motogp machine!! coz I know he would probally own me around a race track on a donkey riding it backwards!!

Seems to me that there are a lot of crying babies whinging about shit that they dont need to!
what sort of wanker groans about suspension data logging at a club day? ride faster you bunch of pussies! stop making excuses about shit and just get on and race your bikes, if you are not fast enough to keep up with the Smiths and Sherriffs then be big boys about it and grow some bigger gonads.
Seems to me that every man and his dog here is making piss-ant excuses as to why they don't win, well here is the answer for you, YOU ARE TOO F#*K'IN SLOW!!!!

Just my 2 cents worth!

Thanks for you PM...I read it a few times and I'm not going to repley to it...yes you need to possiblly think before you type if you don't want to offend people...and what sort of wanker am I?? the type that trys to give good tyres to people higher in the championship than me so they can compete at there best!! or make sure they have what they need to race at their best!! come and have a yarn with me at taupo...just don't call me a wanker to my face

Okay, lets get some perspective back and de-emotionalise this. I very clearly stated in another thread that Craig and Sam were there specifically to test, the results were irrelevant. Note that with these guys it is possible to have all three commodities i.e power, handling AND skill. That they were clearly having fun in the last race was a bonus for all those watching. That I will continue to try and make Craigs bike as settled as Sams is a given, but that will be very difficult given the combination of excess horsepower, Dunlops and a linkage/ swingarm package less effective than the R1.

The data logging gear on Sams bike WAS NOT telemetry and we only looked at it once during the entire meeting, no attempt was made to conceal it.

What we learn is always eventually passed through to all levels, whether they are circulating Manfield in 6's or 34's. Everyone is important to make up the sport as a whole. Its also easy to criticise other peoples riding abilities / lap times etc. Heck, if I raced I would probably be slower than that pink SV was, in part because of a keen desire for self preservation and the need to run my business.

As a parting shot I will occassionally use expletives ( never in ''public''print )but I think it is important ( even in this declining society ) to know exactly where it is inappropriate NOT to use such words.

yes robert and his team were again a invaluble part of the club meetings this year!! helping riders in streetstock right up to craig and sam!! and he even shouted me a beer and told some bad jokes

I have been directed to this site after some online discussion regarding Sam Smith's 'telemetry' usage. Let me clarify a few things. There was no intention to upset those racing in the series. This is our test bed for the 2008 Championship. Points & position were not actually important to us at this event. Bike preparation & setup is what is important if we are to be competive in the up coming national championship. This is the first of many test sessions & events people will see us at over the coming months. The Racetech shock clock fitted to the machine is not a telemetry device, It measures suspension travel against time and is downloaded to a laptop after the session. I only actually took 2 recordings from it, 1 on friday (free practise) and another on Saturday. The information obtained was of no advantage to us on the day. We rely on Sam's riding skill and feedback for all suspension changes we make and the trusty tape measure. Obviously we made no secret of having the shockclock fitted to the bike. As for the legality of datalogging equipment including on board laptimers, the supplementary regulations for this series states under classes,
"Suberbike-Run under typical Formula One rules encompassing Production Superbike, modified Production Superbike........." I understand "formula 1"being open to modification and additions, likewise "modified Production Superbike"
The class regulations for the national championships are more specific and this device would definintely be excluded. The team takes all regulations very seriously to ensure exclusion is not a possibility.
Sam Smith is a talented young rider who needs everyones support in this industry/sport.
Unfortunatly shades of New Zealand famous 'Tall Poppy Syndrome' appears to be creeping in. It is not our intention to appear elitist. In fact we are trying to actively encourage new young talent into the sport. Our pit is always open for discussion to those keen to improve their racing potential. Please lets get back to enjoying our racing which is why we all do it, isn't it?

Dave Cole
YAMAHA RACE TEAM NZ

welcome to the site Dave...its awesome to see proffesional setups at club rounds...shows the other near to the pointy end people the yard stick!! reality checks are important for those of us with goals!!

[cowpoos]

Well this Pleb has seen enough cattiness, backstabbing and gossiping to not want to race ever again. I wont be renewing my MNZ License as there's no point in racing if you dont have the fat cheque book or "know" all the right people.

Have fun out there dudes and may the Richest team win!

now that really sux kel!!! because girl you have shown some flashes of brillence on the race track well beyond the time you have spent racing!!!

[Goblin]

now that really sux kel!!! because girl you have shown some flashes of brillence on the race track well beyond the time you have spent racing!!!

Flashes of brilliance dont buy after market goodies or set bikes up properly. I had fun while i raced but I just cant compete financially.

[Robert Taylor]

Well this Pleb has seen enough cattiness, backstabbing and gossiping to not want to race ever again. I wont be renewing my MNZ License as there's no point in racing if you dont have the fat cheque book or "know" all the right people.

Have fun out there dudes and may the Richest team win!

I think Marty said it all rather well. There is indeed a lot of cattiness and conniving and were it not for libel I would happily name the most stirring perpetrators. But all sports are the same, my two daughters competed as gymnasts for many years, that sporting discipline really was an insight into cattiness.

Consider this, the distributor backed teams provide a substanial amount of my sales revenue of product and help to justify my presence. Ordinary everyday good people ( otherwise disparingly referred to as ''plebs'' ) will come up to me and other so called ''tall poppies'' during the course of a meeting seeking advice and maybe a little set up help / quick view. Despite being massively overworked I will offer what help I can, irrespective if I have previously accrued any income from them or not. That we can still do that in NZ without seeking money every which way you turn is one of our strengths.

By implication then the distributors are subsidising those activities. My viewpoints are conservative and I support capitalism, provided there are checks in place to make sure it is fair and that there is compassion for everyday people.

That self appraisal is a little different to one that an ex road racer is currently perpetrating. That same road racer ( who had a good deal of my time and money over the years ) is labelling me a rip off and god knows else what. But I guess those that live by the sword also die by it.

I dont subscribe to the philosophy so widely applied over the last 8 years of ''dumbing everything down'' Now I need to get some serious work done to pay my taxes for those that legitimately and illegitimately feed off both me and all others working their butts off. No apologies for being one eyed on that issue

[Maarty]

OKAY!!!!!


Thanks for you PM...I read it a few times and I'm not going to repley to it...yes you need to possiblly think before you type if you don't want to offend people...and what sort of wanker am I?? the type that trys to give good tyres to people higher in the championship than me so they can compete at there best!! or make sure they have what they need to race at their best!! come and have a yarn with me at taupo...just don't call me a wanker to my face

Hey! i am of Dutch perants, and not always the most eloquient of linguists (not much good at spelling either) Seems we are both in some way trying to help others and that can only be good for the sport. When you get as much stick as I have had and seen over the years you tend to get a shorter fuse! Would be happy to have a yarn, pm me who you actually are?
Cowpoo would be as bad as 'wanker" said in the wrong context.

[k14]

I am assuming then reading this post that the riders involved arranged for themselves to be allowed to race outside the rules of the meeting/club as a test and took no points, prizes or press from the race results?

I also assume that this was made clear to all other competitors in the meeting in some way and that the riders 'testing' did not in any way hinder those on track who were racing for a season championship?

I've seen this happen in the UK when a full spec BSB factory bike turns up and races at a national club event for testing.

In every such case i've seen the team and riders have excluded themselves from the results and the other riders have been made aware of such a situation even before the race.

A race is a race and if a rider testing, on a non eligible bike, was to mess around with entering leaving the pits and in doing so interfered with the race that would not be good at all. Equally if said rider affected the 'lesser' racers in any way even if that be by lapping it would not be acceptable.

This would all be a storm in a teacup if the riders involved did adhere to the above points but if they didn't i can well understand how pissed off some could be.

In reponse to recalling lap times etc i assume the saying 'the older i get the faster i used to be' applies here to....

But the part used wasn't illegal, if you read Dave's post earlier he states why. Storm in a teacup this certainly is, I'll see everyone at the track

[Goblin]

I think Marty said it all rather well. There is indeed a lot of cattiness and conniving and were it not for libel I would happily name the most stirring perpetrators. But all sports are the same, my two daughters competed as gymnasts for many years, that sporting discipline really was an insight into cattiness.

Consider this, the distributor backed teams provide a substanial amount of my sales revenue of product and help to justify my presence. Ordinary everyday good people ( otherwise disparingly referred to as ''plebs'' ) will come up to me and other so called ''tall poppies'' during the course of a meeting seeking advice and maybe a little set up help / quick view. Despite being massively overworked I will offer what help I can, irrespective if I have previously accrued any income from them or not. That we can still do that in NZ without seeking money every which way you turn is one of our strengths.

By implication then the distributors are subsidising those activities. My viewpoints are conservative and I support capitalism, provided there are checks in place to make sure it is fair and that there is compassion for everyday people.


I dont subscribe to the philosophy so widely applied over the last 8 years of ''dumbing everything down'' Now I need to get some serious work done to pay my taxes for those that legitimately and illegitimately feed off both me and all others working their butts off. No apologies for being one eyed on that issue

Yes i agree the cattiness is in all sports....equestrian was right up there too.

I have never met you but I do know that you are an expert in your field so there should be no justifying your presence. If you are helping out the everyday people at no cost to them then that is great! It just seems to me that the everyday people are only there to make up numbers so the teams with the most money can win everything they enter...be it club level or National.

[Grub]

I very clearly stated in another thread that Craig and Sam were there specifically to test, the results were irrelevant

So they advised the club of this? They are foregoing their championship points?

[Sketchy_Racer]

Sam Smith is a talented young rider who needs everyones support in this industry/sport.

Definatly no doubt about Sams skill I can only hope to ever have the sort of talent he does

But as for him needing 'everyones' support, No I don't agree.

Why put all your eggs in one basket?

It would be great to see even more people get given the opportunity he has had to get places with racing. There is some serious talent out there that is just waiting to get snapped up and used for the best

[arsnik]

So they advised the club of this? They are foregoing their championship points?

Don\'t be silly. The club is honoured to have SAM and CRAIG turn up and grace the \"plebs\" and \"minions\" with there presence, the fact they mkae a mockery of a well organised race and use it as a personal testing ground abiding by the rules or not is of no importance. Come on, DON\'T BE A TALL POPPY.

[Deano]

Hey - it wasn't illegal.

I blame the lockshop guy.

[arsnik]

Hey - it wasn\'t illegal.

I blame the lockshop guy.

LOCKSHOP GUY IS A SPEEDER. Highway patrol man got him under normandale bridge friday night. Couldn\'t believe it. went flying past me at at least 112 possibly 113kmh

[Teambwr47]

A whole 70MPH.......

Surely he won't get a ticket of any consequence for that speed if you're being serious....

Brings being let off for welllllll over 100MPH in the UK into sharp focus

[Deano]

A whole 70MPH.......

Surely he won't get a ticket of any consequence for that speed if you're being serious....

Brings being let off for welllllll over 100MPH in the UK into sharp focus

Tolerance is 11kph, so at 112kph + you most likely get a ticket.

20 demerits and a couple hundred bucks maybe ?

[svs]

Just to clarify, there's nothing illegal with running datalogging equipment at the VicClub Winter Series. They don't need to forgo anything or inform the club.

The premier class is run under 'Formula 1' rules - not 'Production Superbike' like the nationals.

The reasoning behind this is clear, at club level it allows a much wider range of bikes out on the track - e.g one off specials like Steadman 750. and plenty of other stuff that would not be legal for the the national series.

It also allows these guys at the top of the game to get their stuff sorted.

If anyone has/had an issue - take it to the riders rep or MNZ Steward on the day.

NB: I'm not secretary anymore, but I did put the Supp Regs for this year together so I hope I know what I'm talking about